RME HDSP 9632 driver

RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

Is there an RME HDSP 9632 driver in development?
The current hdsp driver from 0.9.6 will not load claiming the device is not 
present.

Thank you.

Chris


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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Thomas Charbonnel]

> Is there an RME HDSP 9632 driver in development?
> The current hdsp driver from 0.9.6 will not load claiming the device is
not  present.
>
> Thank you.
>
>

No that I know of. The hdsp 9632 is quite different from the other hdsp
cards. Supporting it will require non-trivial driver adaptation. Right now
the driver claims the device is not present because it doesn't recognise
the card revision number (>= 0x96). I've asked RME about the card, I'll
let you know.

Thomas





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

On Monday 11 August 2003 03:00, Thomas Charbonnel wrote:
> > Is there an RME HDSP 9632 driver in development?
> > The current hdsp driver from 0.9.6 will not load claiming the device is
> > not  present.
> 
> No that I know of. The hdsp 9632 is quite different from the other hdsp
> cards. Supporting it will require non-trivial driver adaptation. Right now
> the driver claims the device is not present because it doesn't recognise
> the card revision number (>= 0x96). I've asked RME about the card, I'll
> let you know.

I noticed the diff for the driver from rev 1.41 to 1.42 while browsing cvs 
which added support for the rev 50 cards (I'm not a programmer, just a 
curious sort). I'm guessing that I could add a "case 0x96" and the driver may 
load, yet the card is so different it probably wouldn't work - especially 
since the analog I/O is the main thing I'm looking to get as a starter.

If there's anything I can do to assist lease let me know.

Thanks.

Chris



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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Thomas Charbonnel]

> On Monday 11 August 2003 03:00, Thomas Charbonnel wrote:
>> > Is there an RME HDSP 9632 driver in development?
>> > The current hdsp driver from 0.9.6 will not load claiming the device
>> is not  present.
>>
>> No that I know of. The hdsp 9632 is quite different from the other
>> hdsp cards. Supporting it will require non-trivial driver adaptation.
>> Right now the driver claims the device is not present because it
>> doesn't recognise the card revision number (>= 0x96). I've asked RME
>> about the card, I'll let you know.
>
> I noticed the diff for the driver from rev 1.41 to 1.42 while browsing
> cvs  which added support for the rev 50 cards (I'm not a programmer,
> just a  curious sort). I'm guessing that I could add a "case 0x96" and
> the driver may  load, yet the card is so different it probably wouldn't
> work - especially  since the analog I/O is the main thing I'm looking to
> get as a starter.

Adding a "case 0x96" wouldn't be enough for audio (though it could get
midi working, just don't touch audio) : the matrix mixer code and the
metering code are different, as well as the number of available audio
channels.

I've just got an answer from RME. Expect something to test soon :)

Thomas





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

On Monday 11 August 2003 11:45, Thomas Charbonnel wrote:

> Adding a "case 0x96" wouldn't be enough for audio (though it could get
> midi working, just don't touch audio) : the matrix mixer code and the
> metering code are different, as well as the number of available audio
> channels.

It didn't work.
 
> I've just got an answer from RME. Expect something to test soon :)

Superb!

Thanks.

Chris


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RE: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Mark Knecht]

>
> > I've just got an answer from RME. Expect something to test soon :)
>
> Superb!
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris

Chris,
   You're in great hands. Thomas has managed to get the HDSP 9652 driver
working with the mixer, with only one major problem left as far as I can
see. Routing is working great on my card with hdspmixer, as are faders and
all metering is working. I Can save preset files and they are reloaded upon
reboot, so there's been lots of progress recently. hdspconf also correctly
sets clock sources which is very helpful.

   My problem right now with the HDSP 9652 is that the audio starts fine,
then cuts out completely, then comes back, making the card unusable. I
expect we'll find a solution to this one of these days soon.

   I will be very interested to see if your 9632 has any similar problems or
not.

Best of luck,
Mark




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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

On Monday 11 August 2003 12:54, Mark Knecht wrote:

>    My problem right now with the HDSP 9652 is that the audio starts fine,
> then cuts out completely, then comes back, making the card unusable. I
> expect we'll find a solution to this one of these days soon.

That's a show stopper. Is this both recording and playback? How long does it 
take before the audio cuts out? And then how long before it comes back? Does 
the wordlength or sample-rate affect the results? Is it application 
dependent? Is it port sensitive?

More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as well? If so 
is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware up to the latest 
level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?
 
>    I will be very interested to see if your 9632 has any similar problems or
> not.

I have a Multiface with the PCI card in stock but not an HDSP 9652 or I would 
attempt to test it for you. Will certainly let you know if there are any such 
issues.

Chris




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RE: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Mark Knecht]

Hi Chris.

> >    My problem right now with the HDSP 9652 is that the audio
> starts fine,
> > then cuts out completely, then comes back, making the card unusable. I
> > expect we'll find a solution to this one of these days soon.
>
> That's a show stopper. Is this both recording and playback?

It's a complete show stopper right now, but I am sure we will find a
solution very soon. Thomas has made great headway in just the last week. He
codes, I test. It's gone for 0% operation to quite a lot of functionality. A
little support from RME and I'm pretty sure we'll be there soon.

I think it's just the output of the card. While I haven't recorded actually
anything to disk using the card recently, all indications in hdspmixer are
that recording should be fine. Inputs and playback never stop in the
display, while the outputs do.

> How
> long does it
> take before the audio cuts out?

Sometimes just seconds. Seldom more than a minute. It's random and makes the
card unusable right now.

> And then how long before it comes
> back?

Same as above.

> Does
> the wordlength or sample-rate affect the results? Is it application
> dependent? Is it port sensitive?

Word length I do not know. I will say that OSS emulation (I think) and mono
wave files do not seem to trigger the problem on my card. I.e. - most simple
games will play sound all night with no problem. Mono wave files will play
all night. Stereo wave files played by aplay will kill it almost immediately
right now. I have not specifically tested the difference between 16-bit and
24-bit. I will, just to see what happens.


>
> More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as
> well?

I do not know of any other Linux-based HDSP 9652 users right now. Paul Davis
has one, but I do not think he's using it much. Other than that I do not
know right now. I think that when we get this solved we will find more
interested people. It's a great card under Windows.

> If so
> is it only with the HDSP 9652?

As far as I know, yes. And possibly only my HDSP 9652, or possibly only my
PC. However, I think it's a Linux driver issue of some type as the cord
works fine in the same machine under Windows ME. We do not have enough test
data to say one way or the other.


> Have you brought the firmware up
> to the latest
> level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?

Yep, and yep. To upgrade or downgrade firmware on this card you must be
under Windows and RME drivers for the current firmware revision must be
loaded.

>
> >    I will be very interested to see if your 9632 has any
> similar problems or
> > not.
>
> I have a Multiface with the PCI card in stock but not an HDSP
> 9652 or I would
> attempt to test it for you. Will certainly let you know if there
> are any such
> issues.

Oh, I thought you actually had the HDSP 9632. I guess you were just checking
for support? Or do you have the HDSP 9632 AND the MultiFace?

Are you a dealer? (The 'in stock' comment.)

I do not think these problems affect the MultiFace or DigiFace products.
Just the HDSP 9652.

- Mark




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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

On Monday 11 August 2003 13:46, Chris Smith wrote:

> I have a Multiface with the PCI card in stock ...

Oops, make that a Digiface.


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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Paul Davis]

>More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as well? If so 
>is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware up to the latest 
>level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?

RME are happy to tell us how to write a firmware flash
utility. someone just has to have the time. right now, i'm finding it
hard to have the time to even check out how my hdsp9652 is behaving.

 


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RE: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Mark Knecht]

> >More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as
> well? If so
> >is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware up
> to the latest
> >level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?
>
> RME are happy to tell us how to write a firmware flash
> utility. someone just has to have the time. right now, i'm finding it
> hard to have the time to even check out how my hdsp9652 is behaving.
>
I think you have a customer or something keeping you busy right now?!?
Congrats on that!

Actually, testing for the problem I have is very easy and does not require
that you even listen to the card. With the newest driver code from Thomas,
and the newest hdspmixer, you can play a CD with alsaplayer, you'll see the
Playback meters operating, and see the Output meters either operating or
stuck at some level and not following playback.

I've recorded the output of the RME card in Pro Tools using the ADAT
interface there. All indications are that the card just sticks at some
level, constantly putting out the same numerical value until it starts
playing again. Pro Tools shows audio right up to the place it stops, and
then it just goes to the right recording a same, last audio value. 'Flat
liner' ;-)

This happens with or without Jack.

Anyway, if you can find the time I'd certainly appreciate it, but I do know
you are busy.

Cheers,
Mark





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Thomas Charbonnel]

>>More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as well?
>> If so  is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware
>> up to the latest  level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?
>
> RME are happy to tell us how to write a firmware flash
> utility. someone just has to have the time. right now, i'm finding it
> hard to have the time to even check out how my hdsp9652 is behaving.
>

Is that subtly answering the last mail I sent you (only asking because
I'm not sure it got past your filters :) ? Please send me the firmware
flashing information anyway, I'll be happy to do this.

Thomas





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Paul Davis]

>>>More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as well?
>>> If so  is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware
>>> up to the latest  level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?
>>
>> RME are happy to tell us how to write a firmware flash
>> utility. someone just has to have the time. right now, i'm finding it
>> hard to have the time to even check out how my hdsp9652 is behaving.
>>
>
>Is that subtly answering the last mail I sent you (only asking because
>I'm not sure it got past your filters :) ? Please send me the firmware
>flashing information anyway, I'll be happy to do this.

i don't have it, matthias just told me he'd be happy to tell us. the
one problem is that you *must* test this on an hdsp9652. if you get it
wrong, and are using it on an hdsp system, you will make the hardware
unusable. the hdsp9652 has some method for resetting the firmware back
to the factory defaults. if you need an hdsp9652, i can send you mine,
or i and/or mark can test.

--p


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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Chris Smith]

On Monday 11 August 2003 14:14, Mark Knecht wrote:

> Thomas has made great headway in just the last week. He
> codes, I test. It's gone for 0% operation to quite a lot of functionality. A
> little support from RME and I'm pretty sure we'll be there soon.

Ahh, great.
 
> I do not know of any other Linux-based HDSP 9652 users right now. Paul Davis
> has one, but I do not think he's using it much. Other than that I do not
> know right now. I think that when we get this solved we will find more
> interested people. It's a great card under Windows.

There are a few great cards for the Windows crowd. The RME stuff is the one 
line that really seems to assist and support the open-source Alsa development 
and so I like to support them in return. I like the Lynx Studio line as well 
and have used them in the past but without Alsa support I had to decide 
against them for my new personal device.

> Oh, I thought you actually had the HDSP 9632. I guess you were just checking
> for support? Or do you have the HDSP 9632 AND the MultiFace?

I do actually have an HDSP 9632 installed in my personal system (which doesn't 
currently have a Windows installation). The Digiface (I was mistaken on the 
Multiface - posted an oops earlier) is awaiting installation in a client's 
system.
 
> Are you a dealer? (The 'in stock' comment.)

Yes, but I don't normally sell "loose kit". Most such products are delivered 
as part of a fully built custom DAW. Been building them for professionals 
since the 386 was the fastest Intel processor around.

> I do not think these problems affect the MultiFace or DigiFace products.
> Just the HDSP 9652.

It sounds like Thomas is on the scent and we should have some sweet drivers 
soon!

Chris


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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Thomas Charbonnel]

>>>>More importantly is this a known issue that others are having as
>>>> well?
>>>> If so  is it only with the HDSP 9652? Have you brought the firmware
>>>> up to the latest  level (is Windows absolutely needed for this?)?
>>>
>>> RME are happy to tell us how to write a firmware flash
>>> utility. someone just has to have the time. right now, i'm finding it
>>> hard to have the time to even check out how my hdsp9652 is behaving.
>>>
>>
>>Is that subtly answering the last mail I sent you (only asking because
>> I'm not sure it got past your filters :) ? Please send me the firmware
>> flashing information anyway, I'll be happy to do this.
>
> i don't have it, matthias just told me he'd be happy to tell us. the one
> problem is that you *must* test this on an hdsp9652. if you get it
> wrong, and are using it on an hdsp system, you will make the hardware
> unusable. the hdsp9652 has some method for resetting the firmware back
> to the factory defaults. if you need an hdsp9652, i can send you mine,
> or i and/or mark can test.
>

Ok, I'll ask him. As I'm getting used to remote testing, I don't think it
is necessary to send me your card. This way I keep a chance to kindly
bother you asking you to test multicard support in hdspconf and hdspmixer
:)

Thomas





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 12:27, Thomas Charbonnel wrote:
> >
> > i don't have it, matthias just told me he'd be happy to tell us. the one
> > problem is that you *must* test this on an hdsp9652. if you get it
> > wrong, and are using it on an hdsp system, you will make the hardware
> > unusable. the hdsp9652 has some method for resetting the firmware back
> > to the factory defaults. if you need an hdsp9652, i can send you mine,
> > or i and/or mark can test.
> >
> 
> Ok, I'll ask him. As I'm getting used to remote testing, I don't think it
> is necessary to send me your card. This way I keep a chance to kindly
> bother you asking you to test multicard support in hdspconf and hdspmixer
> :)
> 
Thomas and Paul,
   I'd be happy to test it, but the language above is a bit scary. If
the firmware upgrade program messes up my card, are we guaranteed that
the Windows version will fix it, or the onboard secondary firmware will
take over?

   If Matthias is confident that we will not destroy the card I'm happy
to help, although I must say I'm not sure this is the most important
issue right now, is it? Why do I need the firmware upgrader if the
driver for the HDSP 9652 card doesn't work? Or is this just so other
users with a DigiFace or a MultiFace can change their firmware? ;-)

   Anyway, with a little bit of concern I will be happy to help in this
area also.

Cheers,
Mark



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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Paul Davis]

>   I'd be happy to test it, but the language above is a bit scary. If
>the firmware upgrade program messes up my card, are we guaranteed that
>the Windows version will fix it, or the onboard secondary firmware will
>take over?

i think its more like a jumper setting or something like that. i never
checked in with matthias because i never got close to writing the
utility. but i do know that on the hdsp952, there are no problems if
its goes wrong (they had to write it for windows too, remember? :))

>   If Matthias is confident that we will not destroy the card I'm happy
>to help, although I must say I'm not sure this is the most important
>issue right now, is it? Why do I need the firmware upgrader if the
>driver for the HDSP 9652 card doesn't work? Or is this just so other
>users with a DigiFace or a MultiFace can change their firmware? ;-)

its mostly for them. the hdsp9652 doesn't really need f/w upgrades to
remain in sync with i/o configuration files, since there aren't any of
the latter.


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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Thomas Charbonnel]

>>   I'd be happy to test it, but the language above is a bit scary. If
>>the firmware upgrade program messes up my card, are we guaranteed that
>> the Windows version will fix it, or the onboard secondary firmware will
>> take over?
>
> i think its more like a jumper setting or something like that. i never
> checked in with matthias because i never got close to writing the
> utility. but i do know that on the hdsp952, there are no problems if its
> goes wrong (they had to write it for windows too, remember? :))
>
>>   If Matthias is confident that we will not destroy the card I'm happy
>>to help, although I must say I'm not sure this is the most important
>> issue right now, is it? Why do I need the firmware upgrader if the
>> driver for the HDSP 9652 card doesn't work? Or is this just so other
>> users with a DigiFace or a MultiFace can change their firmware? ;-)
>
> its mostly for them. the hdsp9652 doesn't really need f/w upgrades to
> remain in sync with i/o configuration files, since there aren't any of
> the latter.

I've sent a mail to ask, I'll let you know.

Thomas





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Re: RME HDSP 9632 driver

[Edward Wildgoose]

> I've just got an answer from RME. Expect something to test soon :)

Wow.  Are you getting a test card or just documentation?

The vague reviews suggest that the analogue quality on this card is going to
better even than the 96/8, so I'm definitely a potential buyer... (if you
get a test card, I would be interested to hear subjective comments on
quality versus other RME cards)

Ed W



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