Re: 2.6.0-test3

Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

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Ah, I see, it's not a kernel package. This is the first time I've
gone from packages instead of direct from the NSA tgz. But even so,
there is a conflict. I presume I can just --force-conflicts.

Unpacking selinux (from .../selinux_2003081307-3_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/selinux_2003081307-3_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/etc/pam.d/newrole', which is also in package policycoreutils
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/selinux_2003081307-3_i386.deb


 



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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:17, Dale Amon wrote:
> > Why can't you install the new selinux package?
>
> Ah, I see, it's not a kernel package. This is the first time I've
> gone from packages instead of direct from the NSA tgz. But even so,
> there is a conflict. I presume I can just --force-conflicts.

In another message you mention that you are using 2.6.

I will have to make my selinux-policy-default package have an alternate 
dependency on something from Colin.

Colin, which of your packages should it depend on, and what version?

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Colin Walters]

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 21:16, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:17, Dale Amon wrote:
> > > Why can't you install the new selinux package?
> >
> > Ah, I see, it's not a kernel package. This is the first time I've
> > gone from packages instead of direct from the NSA tgz. But even so,
> > there is a conflict. I presume I can just --force-conflicts.
> 
> In another message you mention that you are using 2.6.
> 
> I will have to make my selinux-policy-default package have an alternate 
> dependency on something from Colin.
> 
> Colin, which of your packages should it depend on, and what version?

I think the issue here is that my selinux-policy-default packages have a
lower version than your selinux-policy-default packages.  I have only
been testing my 2.6 packages with my selinux-policy-default package.

Russell, this could probably be solved if you could merge the
Debianization changes in my selinux-policy-default package.


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 01:47:16PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> I think the issue here is that my selinux-policy-default packages have a
> lower version than your selinux-policy-default packages.  I have only
> been testing my 2.6 packages with my selinux-policy-default package.

I wonder if there is a temporary work around. I could do a force-conflicts
if I was sure which package has the files which should over ride the 
other.


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2.6.0-test3

[Magosányi Árpád]

Hi!

I have a 2.6.0-test3 kernel.
It seems that I have compiled in selinux, and it initializes at boot,
but I cannot use it. What did I done wrong?

The kernel configuration:
CONFIG_SECURITY=y
CONFIG_SECURITY_NETWORK=y
CONFIG_SECURITY_CAPABILITIES=y
# CONFIG_SECURITY_ROOTPLUG is not set
CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX=y
CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_DEVELOP=y
# CONFIG_SECURITY_SELINUX_MLS is not set

Relevant messages in dmesg:
Security Scaffold v1.0.0 initialized
SELinux:  Initializing.
SELinux:  Starting in permissive mode
There is already a security framework initialized, register_security
failed.
Failure registering capabilities with the kernel
selinux_register_security:  Registering secondary module capability
Capability LSM initialized

The strace of running avc_toggle:
execve("/sbin/avc_toggle", ["avc_toggle"], [/* 20 vars */]) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="test42", ...}) = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x804a000
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=6096, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 6096, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40012000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 3
read(3,
"\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\275Z\1\0004\0\0\0\20\320"..., 1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1104040, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1113796, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40014000
mprotect(0x4011c000, 32452, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x4011c000, 24576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x107000) = 0x4011c000
old_mmap(0x40122000, 7876, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40122000
close(3)                                = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40124000
munmap(0x40012000, 6096)                = 0
security(0xf97cff8c, 0xb, 0, 0x400098bc, 0xbffffb54) = -1 ENOSYS
(Function not implemented)
dup(2)                                  = 3
fcntl64(3, F_GETFL)                     = 0x8002 (flags
O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE)
brk(0)                                  = 0x804a000
brk(0x804b000)                          = 0x804b000
brk(0)                                  = 0x804b000
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0666, st_rdev=makedev(4, 2), ...}) = 0
ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40012000
_llseek(3, 0, 0xbffff920, SEEK_CUR)     = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek)
write(3, "avc_toggle: Function not implemented\n", 37) = 37
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40012000, 4096)                = 0
exit_group(0)                           = ?

Package: selinux
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 5390
Maintainer: Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au>
Architecture: i386
Source: selinux-small
Version: 2003071106-1
Provides: flask
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), expect (>= 5.38.0-3)
Recommends: selinux-policy
Conflicts: flask, devfsd (<< 1.3.25-6)
Filename: pool/main/s/selinux-small/selinux_2003071106-1_i386.deb
Size: 2155622
MD5sum: 4048f92a0f22b77cc06236d0e6f49235
Description: Management utilities for NSA Security Enhanced Linux
 SE Linux is a system for adding Mandatory Access Control to Linux.  It
uses
 Domain Type control as well as Role Based control.  This package
provides
 all the base utilities for controlling it.



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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:29, Magosányi Árpád wrote:
> I have a 2.6.0-test3 kernel.
> It seems that I have compiled in selinux, and it initializes at boot,
> but I cannot use it. What did I done wrong?

The 2.6.0 kernel (and the kernel-patch I recently uploaded known as "lsm2" in 
the kernel-patch-2.4-lsm package) have a new version of SE Linux.

This new version of SE Linux does not use the sys_security system call, and 
therefore any application compiled for the old SE Linux which uses that call 
(such as avc_toggle) will fail.

Colin Walters is doing most of the work for the new SE Linux in Debian at the 
moment.  Unfortunately my 2.6.0 work has not progressed far enough for me to 
be able to advise you on how to do it right at this time.  Hopefully Colin 
will be able to help.

The #selinux channel on irc.debian.org may help you too, there are a number of 
people there who are experimenting with 2.6.0 who can probably give you some 
pointers.

Finally before anyone asks, UML and SE Linux should work with kernel 
2.6.0test3 if you use the one line patch suggested by Steve.  However for me 
it doesn't work at all, there are several different kernel bugs which get in 
the way.  I am looking forward to 2.6.0test4, test3 seems too flakey.

For the new SE Linux you are probably better off using the back-port to 
2.4.21.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:37:59PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> This new version of SE Linux does not use the sys_security system call, and 
> therefore any application compiled for the old SE Linux which uses that call 
> (such as avc_toggle) will fail.

Ouch. I'm just in the process of setting up a 2.6.0 test system
to check out the "mainstream" selinux.

Are there compilable apps on the NSA sight that will work with
a vanilla 2.6.0-test3?


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 13:25, Dale Amon wrote:
> Ouch. I'm just in the process of setting up a 2.6.0 test system
> to check out the "mainstream" selinux.
> 
> Are there compilable apps on the NSA sight that will work with
> a vanilla 2.6.0-test3?

The NSA site includes userland components ported to the new SELinux API
(and updated to the RH9 packages).  The userland port was mostly done by
Dan Walsh of RedHat.  Note that the new SELinux API and xattr support
was also back ported to the 2.4-based SELinux, so the same userland can
be used with the newer 2.4-based SELinux.  The older 2.4-based SELinux
is no longer being actively maintained, and will be moved to a
historical versions page along with the original SELinux in future
releases.  See http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/download5.html for the
2.6-based SELinux or http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/download3.html for the
new 2.4-based SELinux.  Colin Walters has worked on porting and
packaging the new components for Debian, so you may want to use his
packages if you are using Debian.

Note that there have been some patches to the SELinux module since
2.6.0-test3; there is a patch on the NSA site that includes some of
those changes, but we have also fed further changes up to Andrew Morton
since the last public release on the NSA site, and they are now in
Linus' BitKeeper tree as well.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:25, Dale Amon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:37:59PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > This new version of SE Linux does not use the sys_security system call,
> > and therefore any application compiled for the old SE Linux which uses
> > that call (such as avc_toggle) will fail.
>
> Ouch. I'm just in the process of setting up a 2.6.0 test system
> to check out the "mainstream" selinux.
>
> Are there compilable apps on the NSA sight that will work with
> a vanilla 2.6.0-test3?

Yes, they have a complete release with patched applications.

However those of us who use different versions of the relevant applications, 
or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do.  Also the process 
of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be slightly more 
difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Brian May]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:04:56PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> However those of us who use different versions of the relevant applications, 
> or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do.  Also the process 
> of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be slightly more 
> difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(

What is required to upgrade?

I assume the biggest problem will be the file labels?
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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:53, Brian May wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:04:56PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > However those of us who use different versions of the relevant
> > applications, or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do. 
> > Also the process of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be
> > slightly more difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(
>
> What is required to upgrade?
>
> I assume the biggest problem will be the file labels?

Firstly you have to install a kernel with the new SE Linux support and boot 
it.  Then you have to install the utilities that match the new kernel (after 
which you can't go back).  Then you install the policy, label the file 
systems, and reboot.  Then you do another relabel after the reboot for any 
files that were created by shutdown (presuming that nothing went wrong and 
you have a bootable system that allows you to login).

Much the same as installing SE Linux on a non-SE machine.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:53, Brian May wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:04:56PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > However those of us who use different versions of the relevant
> > applications, or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do. 
> > Also the process of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be
> > slightly more difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(
>
> What is required to upgrade?
>
> I assume the biggest problem will be the file labels?

Steve tells me that it is not possible to create appropriate XATTR's without 
having an in-kernel handler for them.  So unless some code is ported from 
2.6.0 or the new SE Linux version for 2.4.21 to the old 2.4.21 then it will 
not be possible to migrate them.

Only /home should be a problem here, the rest can usually be regenerated from 
file_contexts anyway.


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 03:44:31PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:53, Brian May wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:04:56PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > However those of us who use different versions of the relevant
> > > applications, or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do. 
> > > Also the process of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be
> > > slightly more difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(
> >
> > What is required to upgrade?
> >
> > I assume the biggest problem will be the file labels?
> 
> Steve tells me that it is not possible to create appropriate XATTR's without 
> having an in-kernel handler for them.  So unless some code is ported from 
> 2.6.0 or the new SE Linux version for 2.4.21 to the old 2.4.21 then it will 
> not be possible to migrate them.
> 
> Only /home should be a problem here, the rest can usually be regenerated from 
> file_contexts anyway.

Hmmm... I'm having problems with your default file. Note that I've got a
2.4.22rc2 kernel. The dependency kills it. I presume this means I have to
drop back to your orig file and do it all manually?

dpkg --install selinux-policy-default_1.1-1_all.deb 
Selecting previously deselected package selinux-policy-default.
dpkg: regarding selinux-policy-default_1.1-1_all.deb containing selinux-policy-default, pre-dependency problem:
 selinux-policy-default pre-depends on selinux (>= 2003081307-2)
dpkg: error processing selinux-policy-default_1.1-1_all.deb (--install):
 pre-dependency problem - not installing selinux-policy-default


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Stephen Smalley]

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 00:53, Brian May wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:04:56PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > However those of us who use different versions of the relevant applications, 
> > or who use alternate programs will have some coding to do.  Also the process 
> > of upgrading from old SE Linux to new SE Linux will be slightly more 
> > difficult than doing a fresh install of SE Linux...  :(
> 
> What is required to upgrade?
> 
> I assume the biggest problem will be the file labels?

The migration to xattr and the overhaul of the SELinux API make an
upgrade more complicated than a typical SELinux upgrade.  See the
selinux-doc README for detailed installation instructions for the new
SELinux, and the selinux-doc PORTING for notes on porting SELinux-aware
applications and SELinux policy configurations from the old SELinux. 
Also, the slides from the 2003 OLS SELinux BOF available from the NSA
site have some notes about the changes to SELinux.

Upgrading a production system running the old SELinux is complicated by
the fact that you would like to be able to upgrade the system while
still in enforcing mode, and immediately transition to the new SELinux
(also in enforcing mode) so that the system remains in a secure state
throughout.  To do this, you would need to set the xattr values before
you first boot the new SELinux kernel if you want it to successfully
boot in enforcing mode, but you cannot set the xattr values until you
have a kernel that includes the xattr handler. So you would need to back
port the xattr handler to the old SELinux kernel (and merge the EA patch
from acl.bestbits.at into it) so that you can set the values while still
running the old SELinux code.  This is possible, but would take a little
work by someone.  There are also the usual policy issues with upgrading
a live system and the issues created by the API incompatibility between
the old and new SELinux.

Some caveats about upgrading to the new SELinux, also noted in the
selinux-doc files:
1) It relies on xattr support in the filesystem and an xattr handler for
the security namespace in the filesystem.  We have only implemented such
handlers for ext[23] as well as a "pseudo" handler for devpts to support
relabeling of ptys.  If you are using another filesystem type, e.g.
reiserfs, you'll need to apply the reiser xattr patches developed by
others and add a specific handler for the security namespace.  Also,
note that the support for genfs_contexts has been greatly reduced; the
problem is that mapping an inode to a pathname is not generally
supportable in the kernel except in specialized cases like proc.  We can
work on restoring support for other filesystem types on a case-by-case
basis if a reliable means can be found for performing such mappings for
that filesystem type.  devfs appears to be obsolete, so it isn't likely
worth spending time on reviving support for it.

2) We have found that vanilla 2.4 kernels will no longer boot after you
have assigned the SELinux EAs to the root filesystem.  2.4 kernels
patched with the EA patch from acl.bestbits.at will boot fine and
vanilla 2.6 kernels will boot fine.  The underlying cause is still being
investigated.  You may want to have a 2.4+EA kernel or a vanilla 2.6
kernel (with EA support enabled) available as a fallback to perform
emergency recovery and manual correction of xattr values.

3) The initial policy load has been moved into userspace and is
performed from an initrd.  You must build an initrd that includes the
new load_policy utility and a copy of your binary policy and that
performs the initial policy load before the real root filesystem is
mounted.  See the selinux-doc README for a sample patch to mkinitrd to
do this.

4) The SELinux network access controls (but not the socket access
controls) have been temporarily dropped, as the implementation depended
on the LSM networking security fields and hooks that were rejected for
mainline 2.5.  We plan on restoring a subset of the original
functionality in the future using only the set of hooks that were
accepted plus NetFilter, as well as revisiting the set of permission
checks to provide more effective controls.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:02, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> Upgrading a production system running the old SELinux is complicated by
> the fact that you would like to be able to upgrade the system while
> still in enforcing mode, and immediately transition to the new SELinux
> (also in enforcing mode) so that the system remains in a secure state
> throughout.  To do this, you would need to set the xattr values before
> you first boot the new SELinux kernel if you want it to successfully
> boot in enforcing mode, but you cannot set the xattr values until you
> have a kernel that includes the xattr handler. So you would need to back
> port the xattr handler to the old SELinux kernel (and merge the EA patch
> from acl.bestbits.at into it) so that you can set the values while still
> running the old SELinux code.  This is possible, but would take a little
> work by someone.

I get the impression that no-one at the NSA has the time to spare for 
back-porting the xattr handler, and it seems that everyone else who could do 
it is also focussed on 2.6.0.  So it looks like this isn't going to happen.

Also just writing the xattr handler would not be enough, you would need a 
program that can read SIDs and then write equivalent xattrs, it shouldn't be 
difficult but it's another thing that has to be done.

Finally you would need wrapper programs for login, sshd, etc that check which 
version of SE Linux is running and execute the correct version of the program 
to match (but this is easy to do).

> There are also the usual policy issues with upgrading
> a live system and the issues created by the API incompatibility between
> the old and new SELinux.

I think I've solved the policy issues.  I've got a policy tree which should 
work on both old-style and new-style SE Linux.  It's only tested on old-style 
however, but if there are any bugs then I expect them to be small.

> relabeling of ptys.  If you are using another filesystem type, e.g.
> reiserfs, you'll need to apply the reiser xattr patches developed by
> others and add a specific handler for the security namespace.  Also,

SUSE developed the ReiserFS xattr patches.  However they will not be merged 
into the main ReiserFS tree, Hans recommends waiting for ReiserFS v4 for 
xattr support.  :-#

> 2) We have found that vanilla 2.4 kernels will no longer boot after you
> have assigned the SELinux EAs to the root filesystem.  2.4 kernels
> patched with the EA patch from acl.bestbits.at will boot fine and
> vanilla 2.6 kernels will boot fine.  The underlying cause is still being
> investigated.  You may want to have a 2.4+EA kernel or a vanilla 2.6
> kernel (with EA support enabled) available as a fallback to perform
> emergency recovery and manual correction of xattr values.

NB  In my kernel patch package for Debian I have ported the LSM patch to 
operate with the ACL patch, and installing the LSM patch will also get the 
ACL patch.  So Debian users who build a kernel with a version of my patch 
package of 2003.07.11-2 (Aug 5) or later will be able to boot from their 2.4 
kernel if the upgrade fails.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Stephen Smalley]

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 09:21, Russell Coker wrote:
> I get the impression that no-one at the NSA has the time to spare for 
> back-porting the xattr handler, and it seems that everyone else who could do 
> it is also focussed on 2.6.0.  So it looks like this isn't going to happen.

It really wouldn't be difficult to do, and certainly doesn't require any
deep SELinux or xattr knowledge.  Just copy fs/ext3/xattr_security.c and
the related changes to fs/ext3/{Makefile,super.c} and fs/Config.in from
the new 2.4-based SELinux to the old 2.4-based SELinux.  Of course, you
do need to merge the EA patch from acl.bestbits.at as well, but that
also shouldn't be too difficult.

> Also just writing the xattr handler would not be enough, you would need a 
> program that can read SIDs and then write equivalent xattrs, it shouldn't be 
> difficult but it's another thing that has to be done.

If you simply want to set the xattrs from the file contexts
configuration, you can just run the new setfiles program.  If you want
to set the xattrs from the persistent label mapping, then you would need
to restore the psid code to the new setfiles program and adjust it to
get the value from the mapping and set the xattr from it.  Not
difficult, but a little bit of work.

> Finally you would need wrapper programs for login, sshd, etc that check which 
> version of SE Linux is running and execute the correct version of the program 
> to match (but this is easy to do).

Not clear if this is necessary, unless you want to be able to switch
back and forth.  If you just want to upgrade, you should be able to just
install the new versions while running the old kernel (since this won't
affect already running instances) and then immediately boot the new
kernel.

> SUSE developed the ReiserFS xattr patches.  However they will not be merged 
> into the main ReiserFS tree, Hans recommends waiting for ReiserFS v4 for 
> xattr support.  :-#

I'm not sure about this guidance, as reiser4 isn't in mainline yet, and
last I looked at the reiser4 code, it did NOT include any xattr support
or handlers.  Using the SuSE xattr patches for reiser seems to be the
only real option for current reiser users.

> NB  In my kernel patch package for Debian I have ported the LSM patch to 
> operate with the ACL patch, and installing the LSM patch will also get the 
> ACL patch.  So Debian users who build a kernel with a version of my patch 
> package of 2003.07.11-2 (Aug 5) or later will be able to boot from their 2.4 
> kernel if the upgrade fails.

It should then be a very easy task to transfer over the xattr_security.c
handlers and the corresponding changes from the new 2.4-based SELinux to
your patch so that the older SELinux can access the xattrs.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:17, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 09:21, Russell Coker wrote:
> > I get the impression that no-one at the NSA has the time to spare for
> > back-porting the xattr handler, and it seems that everyone else who could
> > do it is also focussed on 2.6.0.  So it looks like this isn't going to
> > happen.
>
> It really wouldn't be difficult to do, and certainly doesn't require any
> deep SELinux or xattr knowledge.  Just copy fs/ext3/xattr_security.c and
> the related changes to fs/ext3/{Makefile,super.c} and fs/Config.in from
> the new 2.4-based SELinux to the old 2.4-based SELinux.  Of course, you
> do need to merge the EA patch from acl.bestbits.at as well, but that
> also shouldn't be too difficult.

That sounds positive.  I've already merged the EA patch, so I'll probably give 
it a go next week.

> > Also just writing the xattr handler would not be enough, you would need a
> > program that can read SIDs and then write equivalent xattrs, it shouldn't
> > be difficult but it's another thing that has to be done.
>
> If you simply want to set the xattrs from the file contexts
> configuration, you can just run the new setfiles program.  If you want
> to set the xattrs from the persistent label mapping, then you would need
> to restore the psid code to the new setfiles program and adjust it to
> get the value from the mapping and set the xattr from it.  Not
> difficult, but a little bit of work.

True.  Actually I was thinking of writing a custom utility that gets the 
context using the old API and writes it as xattrs.

> > Finally you would need wrapper programs for login, sshd, etc that check
> > which version of SE Linux is running and execute the correct version of
> > the program to match (but this is easy to do).
>
> Not clear if this is necessary, unless you want to be able to switch
> back and forth.  If you just want to upgrade, you should be able to just
> install the new versions while running the old kernel (since this won't
> affect already running instances) and then immediately boot the new
> kernel.

The problem here is that upgrades don't always work correctly.  I really don't 
want to go into an upgrade without without an escape route!

> > SUSE developed the ReiserFS xattr patches.  However they will not be
> > merged into the main ReiserFS tree, Hans recommends waiting for ReiserFS
> > v4 for xattr support.  :-#
>
> I'm not sure about this guidance, as reiser4 isn't in mainline yet, and
> last I looked at the reiser4 code, it did NOT include any xattr support
> or handlers.  Using the SuSE xattr patches for reiser seems to be the
> only real option for current reiser users.

Your comments make sense to me.  However Hans' opinions on this matter are 
authoritative, and leave us with a choice of maintaining yet another kernel 
patch (ACL, LSM, and a ReiserFS patch) in our trees which is more work and 
more risk of bugs, or of not using ReiserFS in this way.

I feel that for my machines my best option is to cease using ReiserFS.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Colin Walters]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 09:37, Russell Coker wrote:

> This new version of SE Linux does not use the sys_security system call, and 
> therefore any application compiled for the old SE Linux which uses that call 
> (such as avc_toggle) will fail.
> 
> Colin Walters is doing most of the work for the new SE Linux in Debian at the 
> moment.  Unfortunately my 2.6.0 work has not progressed far enough for me to 
> be able to advise you on how to do it right at this time.  Hopefully Colin 
> will be able to help.

My 2.6.0 Debian packages are here:

http://web.verbum.org/debian/experimental/

I have been busy with some other things and haven't had a chance to
update my packages recently.  I know at least coreutils, pam, and passwd
all have higher versions in unstable now.

Eventually, I'd like to not have to use any packages outside of unstable
at all.  Russell, what do you think about starting to send these patches
to the Debian package maintainers and get them integrated?  At least the
Debian coreutils package already applies over 50 patches, one more
wouldn't hurt :)
The only drawback I see is a dependency on libselinux, but it's so small
anyways.


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Brian May]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:40:23PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> Eventually, I'd like to not have to use any packages outside of unstable
> at all.  Russell, what do you think about starting to send these patches
> to the Debian package maintainers and get them integrated?  At least the
> Debian coreutils package already applies over 50 patches, one more
> wouldn't hurt :)
> The only drawback I see is a dependency on libselinux, but it's so small
> anyways.

Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?
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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32, Brian May wrote:
> Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?

Colin is about to upload a new libselinux for 2.6 and the 2.4 back-port...

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Colin Walters]

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 08:44, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32, Brian May wrote:
> > Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?
> 
> Colin is about to upload a new libselinux for 2.6 and the 2.4 back-port...

I just uploaded 1.1 last night, it's waiting in queue/NEW.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:44:46PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32, Brian May wrote:
> > Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?
> 
> Colin is about to upload a new libselinux for 2.6 and the 2.4 back-port...

Any ETA for when the updates be available? I'm still seeing 
the conflict with the selinux package and policycoreutils.




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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Colin Walters]

On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:30, Dale Amon wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:44:46PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32, Brian May wrote:
> > > Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?
> > 
> > Colin is about to upload a new libselinux for 2.6 and the 2.4 back-port...
> 
> Any ETA for when the updates be available? I'm still seeing 
> the conflict with the selinux package and policycoreutils.

I think this is due to the incompatibilities with Russell's
selinux-policy-default.  I split out policycoreutils from that package.


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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Dale Amon]

On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 01:50:54PM -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 13:30, Dale Amon wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:44:46PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:32, Brian May wrote:
> > > > Does the libselinux in unstable support the 2.6 interface yet?
> > > 
> > > Colin is about to upload a new libselinux for 2.6 and the 2.4 back-port...
> > 
> > Any ETA for when the updates be available? I'm still seeing 
> > the conflict with the selinux package and policycoreutils.
> 
> I think this is due to the incompatibilities with Russell's
> selinux-policy-default.  I split out policycoreutils from that package.

Could some one give me a heads up when I should try a sid update
to sort my test machine out? It's very confused at the moment! :-)

No terrible rush, just tell me when things are sorted.

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Re: 2.6.0-test3

[Russell Coker]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 03:40, Colin Walters wrote:
> Eventually, I'd like to not have to use any packages outside of unstable
> at all.  Russell, what do you think about starting to send these patches
> to the Debian package maintainers and get them integrated?  At least the
> Debian coreutils package already applies over 50 patches, one more
> wouldn't hurt :)

I think it's a great idea.

In fact I will move my old-SE Linux packages out of Debian.  Anyone who wants 
backward compatability can use my personal site, and your packages for 2.6 
etc can go into main.

I will continue to maintain the policy package however.

Colin, I suggest that you resist the temptation to upload a "selinux" package 
which depends on all your packages.  Make your packages conflict/replace 
selinux.

I will file the bug report requesting that my selinux-small packages be 
removed from main and that your packages replace them.

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