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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>,
	Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:32:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030904013253.GB4306@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030904010653.GD5227@work.bitmover.com>

On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 06:06:53PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> Here's a thought.  Maybe the next kernel summit needs to have a CC cluster
> BOF or whatever.  I'd be happy to show up, describe what it is that I see
> and have you all try and poke holes in it.  If the net result was that you
> walked away with the same picture in your head that I have that would be
> cool.  Heck, I'll sponser it and buy beer and food if you like.

It'd be nice if there were a prototype or something around to at least
get a feel for whether it's worthwhile and how it behaves.

Most of the individual mechanisms have other uses ranging from playing
the good citizen under a hypervisor to just plain old filesharing, so
it should be vaguely possible to get a couple kernels talking and
farting around without much more than 1-2 P-Y's for bootstrapping bits
and some unspecified amount of pain for missing pieces of the above.

Unfortunately, this means
(a) the box needs a hypervisor (or equivalent in native nomenclature)
(b) substantial outlay of kernel hacking time (who's doing this?)

I'm vaguely attached to the idea of there being _something_ to assess,
otherwise it's difficult to ground the discussions in evidence, though
worse comes to worse, we can break down to plotting and scheming again.


-- wli

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-04  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-03  9:41 Scaling noise Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47   ` Matthias Andree
2003-09-03 18:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13             ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:07                       ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  1:06                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:32                         ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2003-09-04  1:46                           ` David Lang
2003-09-04  1:51                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:33                             ` SSI clusters on NUMA (was Re: Scaling noise) Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02                               ` David Lang
2003-09-04  4:44                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:31                           ` Scaling noise Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:40                             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:50                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:49                                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:48                             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05                             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  0:57                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  3:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  4:47                                 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08  5:25                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  8:32                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04  0:58                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:49                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:15                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  3:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05  1:34         ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36       ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-08  6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08  9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-03 17:07 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11       ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11   ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56     ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:36     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:34         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:48           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:46               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04  4:41               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-10 15:02               ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28  1:51                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28  3:13                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29  0:47                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  1:22                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  3:46                         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:16             ` David Lang
2003-09-04  3:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  4:51               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:47           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04  4:16             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  7:43               ` Davide Libenzi
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     [not found] ` <rxrp.8wt.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <rxB3.gg.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <rxB6.gg.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <rydL.17V.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <rGXO.5g9.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-03 15:33           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03  7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03  7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03  5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03  4:03 Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03  4:20   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03  4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  4:29   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:33     ` CaT
2003-09-03  5:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  5:44         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03  6:12         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01               ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36               ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03  8:11         ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47           ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  1:50               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  1:52                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:42                   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04  2:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:19                 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:40                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04  3:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37         ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08         ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09  6:11             ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07               ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10  5:14                 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10  5:45                   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10                   ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03  6:28     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  6:55       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:49               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:58                     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-04  4:49             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39               ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16           ` William Lee Irwin III

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