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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
	Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:46:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030904024608.GH5227@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200309040421.16939.phillips@arcor.de>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:21:16AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> On Thursday 04 September 2003 02:49, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > It's much better to have a bunch of OS's and pull
> > them together than have one and try and pry it apart.
> 
> This is bogus.  The numbers clearly don't work if the ccCluster is made of 
> uniprocessors, so obviously the SMP locking has to be implemented anyway, to 
> get each node up to the size just below the supposed knee in the scaling 
> curve.  This eliminates the argument about saving complexity and/or work.

If you thought before you spoke you'd realize how wrong you are.  How many
locks are there in the IRIX/Solaris/Linux I/O path?  How many are needed for
2-4 way scaling?  

Here's the litmus test: list all the locks in the kernel and the locking
hierarchy.  If you, a self claimed genius, can't do it, how can the rest
of us mortals possibly do it?  Quick.  You have 30 seconds, I want a list.
A complete list with the locking hierarchy, no silly awk scripts.  You have
to show which locks can deadlock, from memory.

No list?  Cool, you just proved my point.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy              lm at bitmover.com          http://www.bitmover.com/lm

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-04  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-03  4:03 Scaling noise Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03  4:20   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03  4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  4:29   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:33     ` CaT
2003-09-03  5:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  5:44         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03  6:12         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01               ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36               ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03  8:11         ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47           ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  1:50               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  1:52                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:42                   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04  2:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:19                 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:40                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04  3:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37         ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08         ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09  6:11             ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07               ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10  5:14                 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10  5:45                   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10                   ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03  6:28     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  6:55       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:49               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:46                   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2003-09-04  4:58                     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-10 15:47                       ` Lock EVERYTHING (for testing) [was: Re: Scaling noise] Timothy Miller
2003-09-04  4:49             ` Scaling noise David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39               ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 15:51         ` UP Regression (was) " Cliff White
2003-09-03 17:21           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:53             ` Cliff White
2003-09-04  0:54           ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-03  5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03  7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03  7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03  9:41 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47   ` Matthias Andree
2003-09-03 18:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13             ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:07                       ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  1:06                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:32                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  1:46                           ` David Lang
2003-09-04  1:51                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:31                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:40                             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:50                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:49                                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:48                             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05                             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  0:57                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  3:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  4:47                                 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08  5:25                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  8:32                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04  0:58                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:49                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:15                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  3:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05  1:34         ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36       ` William Lee Irwin III
     [not found] <rx83.88x.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <rxrp.8wt.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <rxB3.gg.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <rxB6.gg.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <rydL.17V.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <rGXO.5g9.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-03 15:33           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03 17:07 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11       ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11   ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56     ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:36     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:34         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:48           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:46               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04  4:41               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-10 15:02               ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28  1:51                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28  3:13                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29  0:47                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  1:22                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  3:46                         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:16             ` David Lang
2003-09-04  3:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  4:51               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:47           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04  4:16             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  7:43               ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-08  6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08  9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford

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