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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Tridge <tridge@samba.org>,
	Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: explicit dcache <-> user-space cache coherency, sys_mark_dir_clean(), O_CLEAN
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:46:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040221174631.GA8728@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040221080426.GO31035@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>


* viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 21, 2004 at 08:58:53AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > filesystems that dont have 64-bit, monotonic timestamps will return
> > -ENOSYS. This should include even XFS at the moment, because the
> > timestamp is not guaranteed to be monotonic.
>  
> > any other problems with this concept?
> 
> If we are demanding specific filesystems, we could simply say "use JFS
> in case-insensitive mode" and be done with that.  Which deals with all
> problems, since fs code will guarantee uniqueness, etc.

what i propose is a pretty generic feature that we need anyway (current
32-bit, 1-sec granular mtime in most filesystems is already problematic
for things like make dependencies), while "use JFS in case-insensitive
mode" is to degrade a filesystem to a non-POSIX mode. I dont think the
two approaches are equivalent. Having good, monotonic, finegrained
timestamps is a thing of the future - case-insensitive lowlevel
filesystems are a thing of the past.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-21 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-17  4:12 UTF-8 and case-insensitivity tridge
2004-02-17  5:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17  6:54   ` tridge
2004-02-17  8:33     ` Neil Brown
2004-02-17 22:48       ` tridge
2004-02-18  0:06         ` Neil Brown
2004-02-18  9:47           ` Helge Hafting
2004-02-17 15:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 16:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 19:44         ` viro
2004-02-17 20:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 20:17             ` viro
2004-02-17 20:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 21:08         ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-17 21:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-17 22:27             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18  3:02               ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:57         ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:20       ` tridge
2004-02-17 23:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  3:26           ` tridge
2004-02-18  5:33             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  7:54             ` Marc Lehmann
2004-02-18  2:37         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  3:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  3:14             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18  3:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 21:31                 ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:23                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 22:50                       ` tridge
2004-02-18 22:59                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18 23:09                           ` tridge
2004-02-18 23:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19  8:10                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:09                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 16:38                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 16:54                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 18:29                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 19:48                                         ` Eureka! (was Re: UTF-8 and case-insensitivity) Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:51                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 19:48                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19 20:04                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:05                                           ` viro
2004-02-19 20:23                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:32                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 20:45                                                 ` viro
2004-02-19 21:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:38                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 21:43                                                       ` viro
2004-02-19 21:53                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-19 22:21                                                           ` David Lang
2004-02-19 20:48                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 21:30                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:00                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20  0:17                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:24                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:30                                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2004-02-20  0:54                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20  0:57                                                           ` tridge
2004-02-20  1:07                                                           ` Paul Wagland
2004-02-20 13:31                                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-02-20  0:46                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 10:13                                                           ` Tim Connors
2004-02-20  1:39                                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2004-02-20 12:54                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-19 23:37                                           ` tridge
2004-02-20  0:02                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  0:16                                               ` tridge
2004-02-20  0:37                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20  1:26                                                   ` tridge
2004-02-20  1:07                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-20  2:30                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-02-20 12:04                                           ` explicit dcache <-> user-space cache coherency, sys_mark_dir_clean(), O_CLEAN Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 13:19                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:37                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 14:00                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 16:31                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 13:23                                             ` [patch] " Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 18:00                                               ` viro
2004-02-20 15:41                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 17:04                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-20 17:19                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-20 18:48                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21  1:44                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21  7:58                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-21  8:04                                                       ` viro
2004-02-21 17:46                                                         ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2004-02-21 18:15                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  8:26                                                       ` Keith Owens
2004-02-23 10:59                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-02-23 13:55                                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-23 16:45                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2004-02-23 17:32                                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 23:00                                                   ` tridge
2004-02-20 17:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 18:22                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  0:38                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-21  1:10                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-21  3:01                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 17:47                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-20 20:38                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-02-22 15:07                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-02-22 16:55                                                 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2004-02-19 19:08                                       ` UTF-8 and case-insensitivity Helge Hafting
2004-02-18  4:08           ` tridge
2004-02-18 10:05             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 11:43               ` tridge
2004-02-18 12:31                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-02-18 16:48                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-18 20:00                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-19  2:53   ` Daniel Newby
2004-02-17  5:25 ` Tim Connors
2004-02-17  7:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17  8:05   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-02-17 14:25 ` Dave Kleikamp
2004-02-18  0:16 ` Robert White
2004-02-18  0:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-02-18  1:03     ` Robert White
2004-02-18 21:48     ` Ville Herva
2004-02-18  2:48   ` tridge
2004-02-18 20:56     ` Robert White

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