re: Router spam

re: Router spam

[Rei Shinozuka]

that is a *horrifying* story.  i'll certainly join you in boycotting
belkin products while they maintain such a heinous policy and 
unapologetic tone.  the mind boggles when you consider that the maker
of a NIC chip could do something similar, or a video card maker could
paint pop-up ads right into the frame buffer, a keyboard maker could 
make the keyboard change "http:..." strings to other URLs.

i think the ghastliest line was that "The router would grab a random HTTP
connection every eight hours and redirect it to Belkin's (push) advertised 
web page."  you would really begin to suspect your devices were consipiring
against you--and in this case, you'd be right!!

the following  page has more info, including belkin's weak response: 
http://www.marco.org/content/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36

just do a google search on "boycott belkin"

thanks for sharing, frank

-rei

----- Forwarded message from Frank Roberts - SOTL <sotl155360@earthlink.net> -----

Hi All

For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and 
receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.

Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was 
going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url transfer 
spam program in my Linux box.

Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is 
happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups 
through their routers.
The URL that always appears is:
http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2.00.04

which is a Belkin Router add.

The following story explains the situation:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153

My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy 
Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.

Thanks
Frank
-

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Rei Shinozuka shino@panix.com
Ridgewood, New Jersey

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Re: Router spam

[Frank Roberts - SOTL]

Hi All

You are certainly correct but you need to take that thought a bit futher.

What if this is not the ONLY method of extraneous control that is built into 
the product? 

What is hackers find out how to control your routers by this method.

What if you use such products and this causes a loss of control of a critical 
systen?

What if this irresponsibility causes major loss?

Frank

On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:54 am, Rei Shinozuka wrote:
> that is a *horrifying* story.  i'll certainly join you in boycotting
> belkin products while they maintain such a heinous policy and
> unapologetic tone.  the mind boggles when you consider that the maker
> of a NIC chip could do something similar, or a video card maker could
> paint pop-up ads right into the frame buffer, a keyboard maker could
> make the keyboard change "http:..." strings to other URLs.
>
> i think the ghastliest line was that "The router would grab a random HTTP
> connection every eight hours and redirect it to Belkin's (push) advertised
> web page."  you would really begin to suspect your devices were consipiring
> against you--and in this case, you'd be right!!
>
> the following  page has more info, including belkin's weak response:
> http://www.marco.org/content/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36
>
> just do a google search on "boycott belkin"
>
> thanks for sharing, frank
>
> -rei
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Frank Roberts - SOTL
> <sotl155360@earthlink.net> -----
>
> Hi All
>
> For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and
> receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.
>
> Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was
> going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url
> transfer spam program in my Linux box.
>
> Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is
> happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups
> through their routers.
> The URL that always appears is:
> http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2
>.00.04
>
> which is a Belkin Router add.
>
> The following story explains the situation:
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153
>
> My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy
> Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.
>
> Thanks
> Frank
> -
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: Router spam

[John T. Williams]

What if someone hacks belkin's web server and puts an browser exploit on
the page which causes the computer to be infected with a virus maybe
w32.Dumaru.B@mm DOSing belkin and sco?  


This is a clear ethics violation by the rules taught in my Computer
Professionalism class. The Engineers who designed and built it should be
required to re-qualify for their engineering certification, making
special point to re-read the ethics qualifications. If I designed a
elevator that sometimes took you to the floor I wanted rather then the
one you wanted, I'd still be in jail. 




On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:57, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> You are certainly correct but you need to take that thought a bit futher.
> 
> What if this is not the ONLY method of extraneous control that is built into 
> the product? 
> 
> What is hackers find out how to control your routers by this method.
> 
> What if you use such products and this causes a loss of control of a critical 
> systen?
> 
> What if this irresponsibility causes major loss?
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:54 am, Rei Shinozuka wrote:
> > that is a *horrifying* story.  i'll certainly join you in boycotting
> > belkin products while they maintain such a heinous policy and
> > unapologetic tone.  the mind boggles when you consider that the maker
> > of a NIC chip could do something similar, or a video card maker could
> > paint pop-up ads right into the frame buffer, a keyboard maker could
> > make the keyboard change "http:..." strings to other URLs.
> >
> > i think the ghastliest line was that "The router would grab a random HTTP
> > connection every eight hours and redirect it to Belkin's (push) advertised
> > web page."  you would really begin to suspect your devices were consipiring
> > against you--and in this case, you'd be right!!
> >
> > the following  page has more info, including belkin's weak response:
> > http://www.marco.org/content/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36
> >
> > just do a google search on "boycott belkin"
> >
> > thanks for sharing, frank
> >
> > -rei
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Frank Roberts - SOTL
> > <sotl155360@earthlink.net> -----
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and
> > receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.
> >
> > Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was
> > going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url
> > transfer spam program in my Linux box.
> >
> > Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is
> > happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups
> > through their routers.
> > The URL that always appears is:
> > http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2
> >.00.04
> >
> > which is a Belkin Router add.
> >
> > The following story explains the situation:
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153
> >
> > My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy
> > Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> > -
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
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Re: Router spam

[Frank Roberts - SOTL]

NO ENGINEERING certificate is required in the US to design routers or 
associated devices or for that matter any form of internet equipment.

Frank

On Tuesday 24 February 2004 01:13 pm, John T. Williams wrote:
> What if someone hacks belkin's web server and puts an browser exploit on
> the page which causes the computer to be infected with a virus maybe
> w32.Dumaru.B@mm DOSing belkin and sco?
>
>
> This is a clear ethics violation by the rules taught in my Computer
> Professionalism class. The Engineers who designed and built it should be
> required to re-qualify for their engineering certification, making
> special point to re-read the ethics qualifications. If I designed a
> elevator that sometimes took you to the floor I wanted rather then the
> one you wanted, I'd still be in jail.
>
> On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:57, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > You are certainly correct but you need to take that thought a bit futher.
> >
> > What if this is not the ONLY method of extraneous control that is built
> > into the product?
> >
> > What is hackers find out how to control your routers by this method.
> >
> > What if you use such products and this causes a loss of control of a
> > critical systen?
> >
> > What if this irresponsibility causes major loss?
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:54 am, Rei Shinozuka wrote:
> > > that is a *horrifying* story.  i'll certainly join you in boycotting
> > > belkin products while they maintain such a heinous policy and
> > > unapologetic tone.  the mind boggles when you consider that the maker
> > > of a NIC chip could do something similar, or a video card maker could
> > > paint pop-up ads right into the frame buffer, a keyboard maker could
> > > make the keyboard change "http:..." strings to other URLs.
> > >
> > > i think the ghastliest line was that "The router would grab a random
> > > HTTP connection every eight hours and redirect it to Belkin's (push)
> > > advertised web page."  you would really begin to suspect your devices
> > > were consipiring against you--and in this case, you'd be right!!
> > >
> > > the following  page has more info, including belkin's weak response:
> > > http://www.marco.org/content/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36
> > >
> > > just do a google search on "boycott belkin"
> > >
> > > thanks for sharing, frank
> > >
> > > -rei
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded message from Frank Roberts - SOTL
> > > <sotl155360@earthlink.net> -----
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office
> > > and receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.
> > >
> > > Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I
> > > was going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a
> > > url transfer spam program in my Linux box.
> > >
> > > Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what
> > > is happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of
> > > popups through their routers.
> > > The URL that always appears is:
> > > http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&
> > >FV=2 .00.04
> > >
> > > which is a Belkin Router add.
> > >
> > > The following story explains the situation:
> > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153
> > >
> > > My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you
> > > buy Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Frank
> > > -
> > >
> > > ----- End forwarded message -----
> >
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Re: Router spam

[John T. Williams]

What if someone hacks belkin's web server and puts an browser exploit on
the page which causes the computer to be infected with a virus maybe
w32.Dumaru.B@mm DOSing belkin and sco?  


This is a clear ethics violation by the rules taught in my Computer
Professionalism class. The Engineers who designed and built it should be
required to re-qualify for their engineering certification, making
special point to re-read the ethics qualifications. If I designed a
elevator that sometimes took you to the floor I wanted rather then the
one you wanted, I'd still be in jail. 


On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 09:57, Frank Roberts - SOTL wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> You are certainly correct but you need to take that thought a bit futher.
> 
> What if this is not the ONLY method of extraneous control that is built into 
> the product? 
> 
> What is hackers find out how to control your routers by this method.
> 
> What if you use such products and this causes a loss of control of a critical 
> systen?
> 
> What if this irresponsibility causes major loss?
> 
> Frank
> 
> On Tuesday 24 February 2004 08:54 am, Rei Shinozuka wrote:
> > that is a *horrifying* story.  i'll certainly join you in boycotting
> > belkin products while they maintain such a heinous policy and
> > unapologetic tone.  the mind boggles when you consider that the maker
> > of a NIC chip could do something similar, or a video card maker could
> > paint pop-up ads right into the frame buffer, a keyboard maker could
> > make the keyboard change "http:..." strings to other URLs.
> >
> > i think the ghastliest line was that "The router would grab a random HTTP
> > connection every eight hours and redirect it to Belkin's (push) advertised
> > web page."  you would really begin to suspect your devices were consipiring
> > against you--and in this case, you'd be right!!
> >
> > the following  page has more info, including belkin's weak response:
> > http://www.marco.org/content/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=36
> >
> > just do a google search on "boycott belkin"
> >
> > thanks for sharing, frank
> >
> > -rei
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Frank Roberts - SOTL
> > <sotl155360@earthlink.net> -----
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and
> > receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.
> >
> > Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was
> > going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url
> > transfer spam program in my Linux box.
> >
> > Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is
> > happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups
> > through their routers.
> > The URL that always appears is:
> > http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2
> >.00.04
> >
> > which is a Belkin Router add.
> >
> > The following story explains the situation:
> > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153
> >
> > My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy
> > Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> > -
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
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Router spam

[Frank Roberts - SOTL]

Hi All

For a week or so now I have been starting up my laptop in the office and 
receiving a immediate pop-up spam add.

Havinf all filters turned on including security, popups and cookies I was 
going nuts trying to figure out how I had became infected with a url transfer 
spam program in my Linux box.

Thanks to a posting on another list I was able to ascertain that what is 
happening is that a router company has initiated an add campain of popups 
through their routers.
The URL that always appears is:
http://filter.belkin.com/setup.asp?SN=BEL13KK0&RP=21456&IP=192.168.0.2&FV=2.00.04

which is a Belkin Router add.

The following story explains the situation:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/07/1740205&tid=153

My solution to this issue is to post notices on all know BB that if you buy 
Belkin products expects spam from Belkin.

Thanks
Frank
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