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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Michael Frank <mhf@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Jonathan Sambrook <jonathan.sambrook@dsvr.co.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Swsusp mailing list <swsusp-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: swsusp is not reliable. Face it. [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems]
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:59:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040326095929.GA388@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <opr5gf95na4evsfm@smtp.pacific.net.th>

Hi!

On Pá 26-03-04 13:59:55, Michael Frank wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:13:48 +0100, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >>Suspend is a mechanism to suspend the system transparently and
> >>_NOT_EVER_ impairing the system. There can be NO_COMPROMISE and
> >>NO_EXCUSE. I walk out of my office suspending the machine and resuming it
> >>in front of my client it can't ever fail, or am I an idiot to advocate
> >>linux?
> >>
> >>If I would be willing to accept failure I would not spend my time here and
> >>utilize M$'s  incarnation of an architectural idiocy.
> >
> >You are wrong.
> >
> >swsusp1 fails your test, swsusp2 fails your test, and pmdisk fails it,
> >too. If half of memory is used by kmalloc(), there's no sane way to
> >make suspend-to-disk working. And swsusp[12] does not. Granted, half
> >of memory kmalloc-ed is unusual situation, but it can theoreticaly
> >happen. Try mem=8M or something.
> 
> No, I am not!
> 
> mem=8M won't boot into a usable system. mem=~11M will not suspend and
> swsusp2 will exit gracefully and this is tested.
> 
> So swsusp2 does _not_ fail. You still have a usable system instead of a
> paniced system you seem to like to accept.

If swsusp1 panics system, that's a bug. I'm not accepting that one.

Refusing to suspend (I'd call it "fail to suspend") is bad but is not
a bug. Do we understand each other now?
								Pavel
-- 
When do you have a heart between your knees?
[Johanka's followup: and *two* hearts?]

  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-26  9:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1079659165.15559.34.camel@calvin.wpcb.org.au>
     [not found] ` <20040318193703.4c02f7f5.akpm@osdl.org>
     [not found]   ` <1079661410.15557.38.camel@calvin.wpcb.org.au>
     [not found]     ` <20040318200513.287ebcf0.akpm@osdl.org>
     [not found]       ` <1079664318.15559.41.camel@calvin.wpcb.org.au>
2004-03-21 22:00         ` swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-22  0:29           ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-22 20:55           ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-22 23:17             ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23  9:53               ` [Swsusp-devel] " Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-23 15:25                 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-23 21:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 21:08                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 22:17                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:38                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:07                     ` Michael Frank
2004-03-23 23:17                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:36                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:45                           ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2004-03-23 22:52                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24  0:05                               ` Joel Jaeggli
2004-03-23 23:10                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 22:43                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-23 23:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-23 22:40                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-23 23:44                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24  3:12                           ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 10:17                             ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 22:46                               ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 23:23                                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 23:56                                   ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25  0:23                                     ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Pavel Machek
2004-03-25  0:50                                       ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25  1:41                                         ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                           ` <200403250857.08920.matthias.wieser@hiasl.net>
2004-03-25 20:39                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:27                                               ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 21:38                                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:54                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26  5:59                                                     ` Michael Frank
2004-03-26 10:50                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 13:17                                                         ` Michael Frank
2004-03-27 14:49                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-29 12:10                                                     ` fast compressed fs (was Re: -nice tree) Pavel Machek
2004-03-26  5:59                                                 ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Michael Frank
2004-03-26 10:22                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26 20:30                                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-26 22:22                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-27  2:08                                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-27  3:37                                                           ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27  4:28                                                             ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27  4:40                                                               ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 19:50                                                                 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27 20:03                                                                   ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 21:01                                                                     ` Paranoia is fun [Was Re: -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]]] Michael Frank
2004-03-27 21:40                                                                       ` Luke-Jr
2004-03-27 21:29                                                             ` -nice tree [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?]] Pavel Machek
2004-03-28  0:27                                                               ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-27  2:21                                                 ` Micha Feigin
2004-03-29 12:13                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24  4:52                       ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-24  5:04                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24  6:22                           ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24  5:46                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-24  7:31                               ` Michael Frank
2004-03-24 10:26                                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-25  0:06                                   ` Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-24  9:32                             ` Karol Kozimor
2004-03-24 14:15                               ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25  0:35                                 ` Karol Kozimor
2004-03-24  5:06                         ` sleeping in request function mohanlal jangir
     [not found]                           ` <20040324083313.GG3377@suse.de>
2004-03-25  3:45                             ` mohanlal jangir
2004-03-24 10:22                         ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 12:48                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-03-24 15:18                             ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 20:22                               ` Jonathan Sambrook
2004-03-24 21:06                                 ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 22:13                                   ` swsusp is not reliable. Face it. [was Re: [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems] Pavel Machek
2004-03-25 21:33                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-03-25 22:52                                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-03-26  5:59                                     ` Michael Frank
2004-03-26  9:59                                       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-03-26 10:21                                         ` Michael Frank
2004-03-25 22:08                                 ` [Swsusp-devel] Re: swsusp problems [was Re: Your opinion on the merge?] Pavel Machek
2004-03-24 22:05                           ` Markus Gaugusch
2004-03-24 21:25                             ` Nigel Cunningham

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