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From: Tom Felker <tcfelker@mtco.com>
To: Matthias Schniedermeyer <ms@citd.de>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: why swap at all?
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:14:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200405270014.10096.tcfelker@mtco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040526123740.GA14584@citd.de>

On Wednesday 26 May 2004 7:37 am, Matthias Schniedermeyer wrote:

> program to kernel: "i read ONCE though this file caching not useful".

Very true.  The system is based on the assumption that just-used pages are 
more useful that older pages, and it slows when this isn't true.  We need 
ways to tell the kernel whether the assumption holds.

(What follows are progressively more impossible ideas that I have no idea how 
to implement.)

O_STREAMING and a flag to not cache a file when it closes are a good start.  

It would also be useful to do this on a per-process basis.  For example, you 
could set a running shell so that its (and it's children's) files are 
O_STREAMING, and use that shell to launch your one-time greps.

Ulimit could set a limit on how much cache a process and its children could 
use.  (How much overhead this would this entail?)  That would take the place 
of the above, and it might also be useful for shell server admins who don't 
want one user trashing everyone's interactivity.

Most drastic would be to change the way to choose pages to throw out.  
Different processes or pages could have different priorities, so you could 
mark interactive processes as keepers even if you haven't used them in days.

It's probably impossible because the kernel only knows about faults, but you 
could give frequently but not recently used pages (your day-old browser 
window) priority over recently but not frequently used pages (your one-time 
grep).  You'd also need a way to allow cache to grow, which this would 
otherwise curtail.

-- 
Tom Felker, <tcfelker@mtco.com>
<http://vlevel.sourceforge.net> - Stop fiddling with the volume knob.

Alchemists became chemists when they stopped keeping secrets.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-27  5:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-26  6:38 why swap at all? Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  7:31 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  7:55   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26  8:30     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:44       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26  9:34         ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:48           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:10             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 10:33               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:58                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 11:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:27                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-27  5:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:37                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 13:06                       ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-05-26 13:41                         ` Matt H.
2004-05-26 13:55                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-27  5:14                       ` Tom Felker [this message]
2004-05-27  6:02                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27  7:04                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-27  7:16                         ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-26 10:45               ` Martin Olsson
2004-05-26 11:25                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 16:33                 ` David Schwartz
2004-05-26 16:58                   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 23:32                     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-05-27  8:05                       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:46             ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 11:46             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 11:39           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  9:42         ` Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  9:58           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 20:11             ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-27  5:59               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 14:34                 ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-26 10:40         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:15           ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:09       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26 11:38         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:12           ` Paulo Marques
2004-05-26 12:14           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:40           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 10:41       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 12:07         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:06           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-05-26 12:19           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 13:48             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:33           ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-05-26 13:25             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:30         ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 10:44       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 11:49         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:19       ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 12:55         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:27 ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26  9:23   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:30     ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26 10:35       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:37         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:48           ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:01     ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  8:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26  9:00 ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:40   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:06     ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-01  7:23     ` swappiness ignored Anthony DiSante
2004-06-01  9:36       ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-06-01 19:38         ` Anthony DiSante
2004-06-01 19:42           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-06-02 19:54         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-02 23:33           ` Con Kolivas
2004-05-26  9:06 ` why swap at all? John Bradford
2004-05-26 12:31   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 10:02 ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-05-26 13:00 ` Satoshi Oshima
2004-05-26 13:38   ` William Lee Irwin III
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-26 11:04 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 11:57 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:19 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:24 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 13:03 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:27   ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26 12:34 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-27  5:37 Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 17:27 ` Buddy Lumpkin
     [not found] <fa.fegqf9v.kmidof@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.bqpvcrs.u648jq@ifi.uio.no>
2004-05-27 11:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-05-28 21:37     ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-28 22:28       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-29  7:31         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-31 10:49         ` jlnance
2004-06-01 11:57           ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-06-01 12:27             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-06-01 16:49             ` jlnance
2004-06-02 18:38               ` John Hendrikx
2004-06-01 12:21           ` David B. Stevens
2004-05-27 12:31 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-27 12:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-27 15:59   ` John Bradford
2004-05-27 16:16     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-03 13:38   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-31 19:34 Michael Brennan
2004-05-31 20:29 ` John Bradford
2004-05-31 22:47   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-31 23:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-01 18:36       ` FabF
2004-06-01 19:02         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 19:53           ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:00             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 20:14               ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:22                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 21:15                   ` FabF
2004-06-01 21:40                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-03 13:54                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  0:01                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-01 23:17               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-02  5:38                 ` FabF
2004-06-02 11:42                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 12:22                     ` John Bradford
2004-06-02 12:22                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:06                     ` FabF
2004-06-03 14:14                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  7:23                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-04 17:08                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-15 14:55                           ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-06-04  9:11                       ` Catalin BOIE
2004-06-04 17:24                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-06 14:39                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-02 17:59                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 18:30                     ` FabF
2004-06-02 23:54                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 16:16                         ` FabF
2004-06-03 23:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-04  0:16                             ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 14:18                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-03 14:27                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:52                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02  3:50           ` Tim Connors
2004-06-02 17:45             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01  8:34     ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  8:50         ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:54           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  9:10             ` John Bradford
2004-06-08  1:18               ` Tim Connors
2004-06-08  5:29                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-01  9:38   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-01 10:13     ` Tim Connors
2004-06-01 10:24       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01 11:19         ` Tim Connors
     [not found] <fa.amhil9e.o5kt1u@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.kfm8lru.1l2mdp4@ifi.uio.no>
2004-06-08 15:12   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-08 15:12     ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-08 15:15   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-08 15:15     ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-09 19:24     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-09 19:24       ` Bill Davidsen

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