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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	"Eric D. Mudama" <edmudama@mail.bounceswoosh.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: flush cache range proposal (was Re: ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:58:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040611165812.GD4309@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040611165224.GA11945@bounceswoosh.org>

On Fri, Jun 11 2004, Eric D. Mudama wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 11 at 12:31, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> >If queued-FUA is out of the question, this seems quite reasonable.  It 
> >appears to achieve the commit-block semantics described for barrier 
> >operation, AFAICS.
> 
> Queued FUA shouldn't be out of the question.
> 
> However, Queued FUA requires waiting for the queue to drain before
> sending more commands, since a pair of queued FUA commands doesn't
> guarantee the ordering of those two commands, which may or may not be
> acceptable semantics.

You can continue building and reordering requests behind the QUEUED_FUA
write(s).

> The barrier operation is basically a queueing-friendly flush+FUA,
> which may be better...  it lets the driver keep the queue in the drive

That's exactly correct.

> full, and also allows writes other than the commit block to not be
> done as FUA operations, which is potentially faster.  THe bigger the
> ratio of data to commit block, the better the performance would be
> with a barrier operation vs a purely queued FUA workload.

Just looking at how pre/write/post flush performs and I don't think it
will be that bad (it's already quite good). Depends on how sync
intensive the workload is of course.

But as long as it's the fastest possible implementation (and I think it
is), then arguing about performance is futile imo. Correctness comes
first.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-11 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-27 20:24 [2.6.7-rc1-mm1] cant mount reiserfs using -o barrier=flush Günther Persoons
2004-05-27 23:28 ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-05-28 11:54   ` Gunther Persoons
2004-05-28 12:18     ` Jens Axboe
2004-05-28 21:39       ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-05-29  8:30         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04  2:07   ` ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-04  2:31     ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-04  9:42       ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:22         ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-04 11:32           ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:45             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 11:57             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 12:01               ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 12:38                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 12:47                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 13:34                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-04 15:23                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 16:14                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-05  9:18                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-09 21:52                             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 22:06                               ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-09 23:38                                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 23:50                                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10  0:20                                     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10  0:37                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10  1:02                                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10  0:28                                     ` Chris Mason
2004-06-10  0:38                                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10  0:45                                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10 15:14                                         ` Chris Mason
2004-06-10 15:15                                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10  1:05                                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10  6:27                                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10  6:26                               ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-04 17:29                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-05  9:24                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-06 16:18                             ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-06 20:46                               ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10  0:38                               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-10  6:11                                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-10 16:41                                   ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-10 17:50                                     ` flush cache range proposal (was Re: ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later) Jeff Garzik
2004-06-10 18:02                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-10 20:33                                         ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:22                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11  7:55                                         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:17                                           ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:31                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11 16:52                                               ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-06-11 16:58                                                 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2004-06-11 16:54                                               ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:50                                             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-11 16:24                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-11  6:10                                       ` Stuart Young
2004-06-26  8:31                                     ` ide errors in 7-rc1-mm1 and later Andre Hedrick
2004-06-26  8:58                                       ` Andre Hedrick
2004-06-28 18:18                                       ` Eric D. Mudama
2004-07-02  8:29                                         ` Jens Axboe
2004-07-07  5:40                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-06-04 11:48         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-06-09 23:44     ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-09 23:52       ` Andrew Morton
2004-06-10  0:17         ` Ed Tomlinson
2004-06-10  6:29         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-14 21:42       ` Ed Tomlinson

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