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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Cc: nigelenki@comcast.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 01:08:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040708010842.2064a706.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cone.1089273505.418287.4554.502@pc.kolivas.org>

Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
>
> Andrew Morton writes:
> 
> > Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Ah what the heck. They can only be knocked back to where they already are.
> > 
> > hm.  You get an eGrump for sending two patchs in one email.  Surprisingly
> > nice numbers though.
> > 
> > How come vm_swappiness gets squared?  That's the mysterious "bias
> > downwards", yes?  What's the theory there?
> 
> No real world feedback mechanism is linear. As the pressure grows the 
> positive/negative feedback grows exponentially.

That takes me back.  The classic control system is PID:
Proportional/Integral/Derivative - they refer to the way in which the error
term (output-desired output) is fed back to the input:

Proportional: the bigger the error, the more input drive

Integral: feeding back a bit of the integral of the error prevents
permanent output skew due to non-infinite forward gain.

Derivative: feeding back -(rate of change) provides damping.

You can live without I and D - the main thing is to feed back the -error.

IOW: linear works just fine :)

Your answer didn't help me understand the design though.

> > Please define this new term "application pages"?
> 
> errm it's fuzzy to say the least. It's the closest I can come to 
> representing what end users understand as "non-cached" pages.

Isn't that mapped pages?

> > Those si_swapinfo() and si_meminfo() calls need to come out of there.
> 
> I'm game. I had the idea but not the skill. Anyone wanna help me with that?

Need to work out what cen be removed first.  The freeswap/totalswap can go.
 That leaves us needing what?  totalram and freeram.  If the algorithm can
be flipped over to use nr_mapped, we'd be looking good.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-08  8:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-07 15:16 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
2004-07-07 15:39 ` 2.6.7-ck5 John Richard Moser
2004-07-07 15:47   ` 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
2004-07-07 15:53     ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 16:11       ` 2.6.7-ck5 P
2004-07-07 17:10         ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 16:17       ` 2.6.7-ck5 Redeeman
2004-07-08  4:38     ` 2.6.7-ck5 Andrew Morton
2004-07-08  6:40       ` [PATCH] Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation Con Kolivas
2004-07-08  6:45         ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08  7:06         ` [PATCH] " Nick Piggin
2004-07-08  7:12           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08  7:31             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08  8:03               ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08  8:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08 17:06                   ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-08 17:14                   ` [ck] " Mikhail Ramendik
2004-07-08 17:10           ` [ck] Re: [PATCH] " Mikhail Ramendik
2004-07-09  1:03             ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-08  7:10         ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-08  7:58           ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08  8:08             ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-07-08  8:27               ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 10:54                 ` FabF
2004-07-09  1:05                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-09  9:48                     ` FabF
2004-07-09 10:43                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-09 11:14                         ` FabF
2004-07-09 11:24                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-10  9:44                             ` FabF
     [not found]                               ` <40EFC076.9050504@yahoo.com.au>
2004-07-10 10:57                                 ` rss recovery FabF
2004-07-10 12:03                                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-13 13:12                                     ` FabF
2004-07-08 16:26                 ` Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 17:12                   ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-08 18:37                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-08 21:40                       ` John Richard Moser
2004-07-09  7:44                     ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2004-07-08 16:24               ` [PATCH] Autotune swappiness Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 16:44                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-09  0:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-09  1:19                     ` [ck] " Kerin Millar
2004-07-09 14:23                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-07-09 14:26                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-07-08 15:57       ` [ck] Re: 2.6.7-ck5 GSehp
2004-07-07 16:45 ` 2.6.7-ck5 John Richard Moser
2004-07-07 17:10   ` 2.6.7-ck5 Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-07-07 22:26 ` 2.6.7-ck5 Wes Janzen
2004-07-07 22:53   ` 2.6.7-ck5 Con Kolivas
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2000-01-01 17:31 Autoregulate swappiness & inactivation deepfire

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