From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>,
Jan Knutar <jk-lkml@sci.fi>, L A Walsh <lkml@tlinx.org>
Subject: Re: XFS: how to NOT null files on fsck?
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:24:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040713222411.GA1035@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2004Jul13.092529@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:25:29AM +0000, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org> writes:
> >XFS does *not* zero files, it simply returns zeros for unwritten
> >extents. If you open an existing file and scribble all over it, you
> >might see the old data during a crash, or the new data if it was
> >flushed. You shouldn't see zero's though.
> >
> >What does happen though, is that dotfiles are truncated and rewritten,
> >if the data blocks aren't flushed you will get zeros back because the
> >extents were unwritten. This is really the only sensible thing to do
> >given the circumstances.
> >
> >My guess is that with other fs' (when journaling metadata only) the
> >blocks allocated for the newly written data are *usually* the same as
> >the recently freed blocks from the truncate so things appear to work
> >but in reality it's probably mostly luck.
>
> A secure FS must ensure that other people's deleted data does not end
> up in the file. AFAIK FSs don't record owners for free blocks, so
> they can only ensure this by zeroing the blocks. So I doubt that you
> will see any different behaviour from an FS that keeps only meta-data
> consistent and writes meta-data before data.
>
There is another solution - zero blocks when freeing them. (Or
put them on a list for later zeroing when the fs isn't busy,
in order to kee��p good performance)
With this approach you don't need to zero a half-written
block after a crash, which means you destroy less data.
Helge Hafting
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-07-13 22:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-05 5:47 XFS: how to NOT null files on fsck? Norberto Bensa
2004-07-09 16:37 ` L A Walsh
2004-07-09 21:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:33 ` L A Walsh
2004-07-10 18:43 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 21:24 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-11 21:54 ` Helge Hafting
2004-07-12 17:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 19:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 20:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-07-12 22:29 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-12 23:03 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-12 23:14 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:43 ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-10 18:46 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 18:55 ` Norberto Bensa
2004-07-10 19:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 21:20 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-12 22:40 ` L A Walsh
2004-07-12 22:53 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 1:44 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-13 5:24 ` Chris Wedgwood
[not found] ` <2hgxc-5x9-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-07-13 7:25 ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13 8:09 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 9:34 ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13 9:53 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 10:27 ` Tim Connors
2004-07-13 10:38 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-13 11:16 ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-13 12:52 ` ismail dönmez
2004-07-13 10:58 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 13:33 ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-13 20:32 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 22:42 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-14 18:49 ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-14 19:00 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 22:24 ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-07-13 22:39 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-13 23:23 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-14 18:53 ` Anton Ertl
2004-07-10 19:33 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-07-10 19:40 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-10 19:46 ` Norberto Bensa
2004-07-10 20:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-11 1:21 ` Gopikrishnan Sidhardhan
2004-07-29 1:30 ` Nathan Scott
2004-08-03 18:31 ` L A Walsh
2004-08-04 0:48 ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-04 6:37 ` L A Walsh
2004-08-05 8:16 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-06 1:10 ` Nathan Scott
2004-08-06 1:34 ` Andrew Morton
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