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From: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: szonyi calin <caszonyi@yahoo.com>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@fs.tum.de>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:24:10 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040724142410.GA3009@dmt.cyclades> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040723122127.16468.qmail@lwn.net>

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 06:21:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > So now the world is divided in gods (i.e distributions) and we,
> > mere mortals who should pray to the gods to give us a stable
> >  kernel ?
> 
> This seems to be where a lot of the misunderstanding is.  Did anybody
> notice just how divergent the distributors' 2.4 (and prior) kernels were
> from the mainline?  If you wanted a kernel with that level of features
> and stability, you had to get it from them - or apply hundreds of
> patches yourself.
> 
> One of the goals of the process now is to get those distributor patches
> into the mainline quickly.  My expectation is that the mainline kernel
> will be far closer to what the distributors ship than it has been in a
> long time, and the mainline will be more stable for it.  Just the
> opposite of what a lot of people are saying.

Well, back in v2.4 "hot-stop", most of the patches merged into distro's kernels 
were not "trustable" enough to be merged into v2.4 mainline, and I had no capability 
of reviewing them myself and make a good enough judgment of whether they should be included
or not.

Another point I had against merging some of those patches was that most of them were 
targeted at "enterprise" users and benefit almost only them (eg finer-grained locking, etc). 

To resume, I prefered to be more "conservative". 

Of course, fortunately Andrew is much more capable of doing judgements on
"trustability" of patches and so forth.

Obviously its a good thing to try to keep the differences between distro's kernels
and mainline kernels small, and Andrew is targetting that. 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-07-24 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-21 14:15 [PATCH] delete devfs Greg KH
2004-07-21 14:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-21 14:35   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:19     ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 21:27       ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 21:53         ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:05           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:17             ` Jesse Stockall
2004-07-21 22:47             ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22  6:49               ` Greg KH
2004-07-22  9:55                 ` Oliver Neukum
2004-07-22 10:08                   ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-07-22 16:13                 ` Matt Porter
2004-07-23 19:06                   ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED (was: Re: [PATCH] delete devfs) R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 20:04                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23 21:17                       ` Russell King
2004-07-23 21:22                       ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-23 23:35                       ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-07-23 22:01                         ` [RFC]: CONFIG_UNSUPPORTED Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-07-22  1:08           ` [PATCH] delete devfs Grzegorz Jaśkiewicz
2004-07-22  1:48             ` Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 22:02         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 22:07           ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 22:14             ` David Weinehall
2004-07-21 22:31             ` Brian Gerst
2004-07-21 23:11               ` New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-21 23:52                 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  9:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22  7:04                     ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 10:19                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 12:55                         ` Josh Boyer
2004-07-22 11:32                       ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-07-22 19:12                         ` Greg KH
2004-07-22 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 22:28                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-23  2:22                           ` Tim Wright
2004-07-23  6:31                             ` Ville Herva
2004-07-23 21:04                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-07-23 21:08                                 ` Ville Herva
2004-07-25 11:59                             ` Jan Knutar
2004-07-25 18:53                               ` Jesper Juhl
2004-07-23  8:16                         ` szonyi calin
2004-07-23 12:21                           ` Jonathan Corbet
2004-07-23 19:59                             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-24 14:24                             ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2004-07-23 14:54                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-23 15:50                             ` szonyi calin
2004-07-27 22:18                               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28 21:25                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-02 18:48                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-03 22:07                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-24 16:21                           ` Ragnar Hojland Espinosa
2004-07-27 22:12                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-07-28  7:24                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-07-22 23:01                       ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-22 20:18                         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 20:28                         ` Kevin Fox
2004-07-23 20:09                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22 21:01                         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-23  0:39                         ` Jason Cooper
2004-07-23 20:57                         ` Timothy Miller
2004-07-25 13:30                           ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-26  1:38                         ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-26  2:12                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28  6:25                             ` Ben Hoskings
2004-07-28 21:23                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-08-04 21:53                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-07-28 21:22                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2004-07-29 12:25                     ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-22  1:33               ` [PATCH] delete devfs Mike Snitzer
2004-07-21 23:26             ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-07-21 22:11           ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-21 22:40             ` Adrian Bunk
2004-07-21 23:15               ` Francois Romieu
2004-07-22  8:23               ` sam
2004-07-22 10:24                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 10:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-07-22 21:06                   ` sam
2004-07-23  0:21                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-07-22 22:19                   ` Paul Jakma
2004-07-22 19:22         ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-22 17:56       ` Deepak Saxena
2004-07-21 14:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-07-21 14:41 ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 18:25   ` Greg KH
2004-07-21 19:55     ` Matthew Garrett
2004-07-21 19:34   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-21 21:13   ` Ben Collins
2004-07-21 22:20   ` Wichert Akkerman
2004-07-22 19:44     ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-07-21 15:49 ` Kasper Sandberg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-22  7:45 New dev model (was [PATCH] delete devfs) Svetoslav Slavtchev
2004-07-22 10:40 ` Han Boetes
2004-07-22 13:17 Svetoslav Slavtchev

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