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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Petr Vandrovec <VANDROVE@vc.cvut.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] add PCI ROMs to sysfs
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:31:48 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040811233148.13248.qmail@web14925.mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1092255102.18968.276.camel@localhost.localdomain>

--- Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mer, 2004-08-11 at 20:24, Jon Smirl wrote:
> > Alan Cox had concerns about copying the ROMs for those devices that
> > don't implement full address decoding. I'm using kmalloc for
> 40-60KB.
> > Would vmalloc be a better choice? Very few drivers will use the
> copy
> > option, mostly old hardware.
> 
> As I said before you don't need to allocate big chunks of kernel
> memory for this because you don't want to store ROM copies in kernel,
> you just disallow mmap in such a case and let the user use read().
> 
> I am opposed to anything that keeps ROM copies in the kernel.
> 

How are we supposed to implement this without a copy? Once the device
driver is loaded there is never a safe way access the ROM again because
an interrupt or another CPU might use the PCI decoders to access the
other hardware and disrupt the ROM read. You have to copy the ROM when
the driver says it is safe.

I provided two calls for the driver to pick from: 1) make an in kernel
copy of the ROM and leave it visible from sysfs or 2) remove the sysfs
attribute. 

Another possible scheme could have a user space daemon that copies the
ROMs out of the kernel at boot and then holds them for later access by
other apps, but that would break the ROM attribute in sysfs model. 

Still another scheme would be to make the drivers for this class of
card implement a lock around PCI address decoder use. That would get
complex with interrupt routines.

How much trouble do we want to go to handling a case that only applies
to very few cards? I believe old QLogic disk controllers have this
problem, are there others? I'm not aware of any video cards with this
problem. 99%+ of PCI ROMs don't need the copy.

=====
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@yahoo.com


		
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-11 23:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-30 21:09 [PATCH] add PCI ROMs to sysfs Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 21:29 ` Greg KH
2004-07-30 21:34   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 21:39     ` Greg KH
2004-07-30 21:48     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 22:15     ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-31 15:59       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-02 17:02         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-02 17:29           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-02 21:00           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-02 21:05             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-02 23:32               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-02 23:30           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-03  2:03             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-03  2:32               ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-03 17:07                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-03 21:19               ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-03 21:28                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-03 21:30                   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-03 21:31                   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-03 21:36                     ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-03 21:39                       ` Martin Mares
2004-08-04  6:00                         ` lspci and ROM on bridge, was: " Jon Smirl
2004-08-04 16:04                           ` Martin Mares
2004-08-05  5:05                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-05  5:41                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-08-05 11:53                             ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-05 15:54                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-05 16:25                             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-05 20:45                               ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-05 21:12                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-06 21:14                                   ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-06 22:33                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-11 17:04                                     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-11 17:28                                       ` Greg KH
2004-08-11 18:02                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-11 18:12                                           ` Greg KH
2004-08-12  1:28                                             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-08-12 14:38                                               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-12 17:29                                               ` Greg KH
2004-08-12  2:25                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-08-12  4:38                                               ` Greg KH
2004-08-12  9:18                                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-08-12 22:01                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-11 19:24                                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-11 19:44                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-11 20:11                                           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-11 23:31                                             ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2004-08-12 11:51                                               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-12 20:28                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-12  0:45                                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-12  4:37                                           ` Greg KH
2004-08-04  6:08           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-04 15:56             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-30 21:53   ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-31 10:03     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-07-31 13:28       ` Jon Smirl
2004-07-31 15:42         ` Greg KH
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-04 15:57 Petr Vandrovec
2004-08-04 17:06 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-05  1:38   ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-11 23:27 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2004-08-12  0:22 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-12  2:22 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-13 18:17   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-14  5:34     ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-14  9:47       ` Martin Mares
2004-08-14 14:17         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-14 22:10           ` Martin Mares
2004-08-14 23:39             ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-18 18:13             ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-18 18:37               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-08-23 22:51                 ` Greg KH
2004-08-25 17:32                   ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-25 17:42                     ` Greg KH
2004-08-25 18:06                       ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-25 18:19                         ` Greg KH
2004-08-25 18:45                           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-25 18:55                             ` Greg KH
2004-08-25 20:06                               ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-26 13:13                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-26 15:40                                   ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-26 15:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-26 19:54                                       ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-28 16:15                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-28 17:33                                           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-28 17:38                                           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-27 16:43                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-27 22:29                                         ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-28 16:35                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-28 21:53                                             ` Grant Grundler
2004-08-25 18:29                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-19 12:51               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 23:00                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-19 14:01               ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 23:11                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-20 10:26                   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-25 15:36               ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-08-25 15:50                 ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-12  8:39 Thomas Winischhofer
2004-08-29  4:58 Jon Smirl
2004-09-03  1:40 Jon Smirl
2004-09-03 17:27 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-03 17:45   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-03 18:06     ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-08  3:15 Jon Smirl
2004-09-08  6:07 ` Greg KH
2004-09-08 23:50 ` Greg KH
2004-10-08  2:20   ` Jon Smirl
2004-11-05 23:06     ` Greg KH

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