From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: Lars Ellenberg <Lars.Ellenberg@linbit.com>,
Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:52:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408201452.52512.philipp.reisner@linbit.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <R+ahoCHARbsLOMKIahWH0/Q=lge@web.de>
On Thursday 19 August 2004 14:14, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
[...]
> > Split-brain Szenarien die mit Primary/Primary (beide StandAlone) enden
> > habe ich schon im neuen Design bedacht (ich schreibe gerade). Was sonst?
>
> gar nicht soo unwahrscheinlich:
>
> wenn der primary stirbt (oder getötet wird), aber vor dem sterben
> irgendwie noch geschafft hat, seine drbd connection zu verlieren _und_
> daher den "ConnectedCount" hochgezählt hat...
>
> der "slave" wird jetzt Secondary->Primary, zählt aber, weil < Connected
> den ArbitraryCount hoch...
>
> situation beim nächsten connect:
>
> Flags: consistent, ,been primary last time
>
> früherer Primary 1:X:Y:a+1:b :10 (nach reboot jetzt Secondary)
> jetziger Primary 1:X:Y:a :b+1:10
>
> doh. jetziger Primary soll SyncTarget werden... shitty.
> --> jetziger Primary goes StandAlone.
>
> nächster verbindungsversuch (von operator eingeleitet)
> ... -> "split brain detected"
> --> both go StandAlone
>
> u.U. müssen wir einen zusätzlichen counter einführen, einen "CRM
> count", und der CRM muss, wenn er den anderen node geschossen hat,
> sicherheitshalber ein drbdsetup "--crm" (vgl. --human) primary
> machen, dass würde zumindest das oben beschriebene scenario auflösen...
>
Hi,
Right, old toppic: What should we do after a split-brain situation.
I have looked up my papers from 2001 to unterstand, why it is done
the way it is today:
The situation:
N1 N2
P --- S Everything ok.
P - - S Link breaks.
P - - P A (also split-brained) Cluster-mgr makes N2 primary too.
X X Both nodes down.
P --- S The current behaviour.
What should be done after Split brain ?
The current policy is, that the node that was Primary before the
split-brain situation should be primary afterwards.
This Policy is hard-coded into DRBD. It is an arbitrary decission,
I thought it is a good idea.
The question are:
Should this policy be configurable ? (IMO: yes)
Which policies do we want to offer ?
* The node that was primary before split brain (current behaviour)
* The node that becaume primary during split brain
* The node that modified more of it's data during the split-brain
situation [ Do not think about implementation yet, just about
the policy ]
* others ?...
The second question to answer is:
What should we do if the connecting network heals ? I.e.
N1 N2
P --- S Everything ok.
P - - S Link breaks.
P - - P A (also split-brained) Cluster-mgr makes N2 primary too.
? --- ? What now ?
Current policy: The two nodes will refuse to connect. The administrator
has to resove this.
Are there any other policies that would make sense ?
-Philipp
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2004-08-20 12:52 ` Philipp Reisner [this message]
2004-08-20 13:32 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 14:28 ` [Drbd-dev] gen_counts and primary --human Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 21:57 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-23 21:56 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 10:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 11:30 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 13:38 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 9:48 ` [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:00 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:18 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:43 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:51 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 9:39 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 10:13 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 11:32 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:05 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 12:12 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:06 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:19 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:47 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-08 11:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 11:31 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 15:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 15:22 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 11:33 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 15:55 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-20 14:10 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Helmut Wollmersdorfer
2004-08-23 22:01 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
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