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From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: Lars Ellenberg <Lars.Ellenberg@linbit.com>,
	Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
	drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:52:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408201452.52512.philipp.reisner@linbit.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <R+ahoCHARbsLOMKIahWH0/Q=lge@web.de>

On Thursday 19 August 2004 14:14, Lars Ellenberg wrote:
[...]
> > Split-brain Szenarien die mit Primary/Primary (beide StandAlone) enden
> > habe ich schon im neuen Design bedacht (ich schreibe gerade). Was sonst?
>
> gar nicht soo unwahrscheinlich:
>
> wenn der primary stirbt (oder getötet wird), aber vor dem sterben
> irgendwie noch geschafft hat, seine drbd connection zu verlieren _und_
> daher den "ConnectedCount" hochgezählt hat...
>
> der "slave" wird jetzt Secondary->Primary, zählt aber, weil < Connected
> den ArbitraryCount hoch...
>
> situation beim nächsten connect:
>
>  Flags: consistent,             ,been primary last time
>
> früherer Primary  1:X:Y:a+1:b  :10 (nach reboot jetzt Secondary)
> jetziger Primary  1:X:Y:a  :b+1:10
>
> doh. jetziger Primary soll SyncTarget werden... shitty.
> --> jetziger Primary goes StandAlone.
>
> nächster verbindungsversuch (von operator eingeleitet)
> ... -> "split brain detected"
> --> both go StandAlone
>
> u.U. müssen wir einen zusätzlichen counter einführen, einen "CRM
> count", und der CRM muss, wenn er den anderen node geschossen hat,
> sicherheitshalber ein drbdsetup "--crm" (vgl. --human) primary
> machen, dass würde zumindest das oben beschriebene scenario auflösen...
>

Hi,

Right, old toppic: What should we do after a split-brain situation.
I have looked up my papers from 2001 to unterstand, why it is done 
the way it is today:

The situation:

 N1    N2
 P --- S   Everything ok.
 P - - S   Link breaks.
 P - - P   A (also split-brained) Cluster-mgr makes N2 primary too.
 X     X   Both nodes down.
 P --- S   The current behaviour. 

What should be done after Split brain ? 

The current policy is, that the node that was Primary before the
split-brain situation should be primary afterwards.

This Policy is hard-coded into DRBD. It is an arbitrary decission, 
I thought it is a good idea.

The question are:
Should this policy be configurable ? (IMO: yes)
Which policies do we want to offer ?

 * The node that was primary before split brain (current behaviour)
 * The node that becaume primary during split brain 
 * The node that modified more of it's data during the split-brain
   situation  [ Do not think about implementation yet, just about
                the policy ]
 * others ?...

The second question to answer is:
What should we do if the connecting network heals ? I.e.

 N1    N2
 P --- S   Everything ok.
 P - - S   Link breaks.
 P - - P   A (also split-brained) Cluster-mgr makes N2 primary too.
 ? --- ?   What now ?

Current policy: The two nodes will refuse to connect. The administrator
                has to resove this.

Are there any other policies that would make sense ?

-Philipp
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       reply	other threads:[~2004-08-20 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20040819110202.GO9601@marowsky-bree.de>
     [not found] ` <20040819113205.GP9601@marowsky-bree.de>
     [not found]   ` <R+ahoCHARbsLOMKIahWH0/Q=lge@web.de>
2004-08-20 12:52     ` Philipp Reisner [this message]
2004-08-20 13:32       ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 14:28         ` [Drbd-dev] gen_counts and primary --human Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 21:57           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25  9:42           ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-23 21:56         ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25  9:42         ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 10:28           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 11:30             ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 13:38           ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04  9:48         ` [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:00           ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:18             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:43               ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:51                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07  9:39             ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 10:13               ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 11:32                 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:05                   ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 12:12                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:06                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:19                 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:28                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:47                     ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-08 11:20                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 11:31                         ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 15:11                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 15:22                             ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 11:33                         ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 15:55                   ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-20 14:10       ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Helmut Wollmersdorfer
2004-08-23 22:01       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree

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