From: Lars Ellenberg <lars.ellenberg@linbit.com>
To: drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: Re: [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 12:00:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040904100008.GA14645@nudl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040904094814.GE11820@marowsky-bree.de>
On Sat, Sep 04, 2004 at 11:48:14AM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> Hi,
>
> lge and I have yesterday discussed a 'new' drbd race condition and also
> touched on its resolution.
>
> Scope: in a split-brain, drbd might confirm write to the clients and
> might on a subsequent failover lose the transactions which _have been
> confirmed_. This is not acceptable.
>
> Sequence:
>
> Step N1 Link N2
> 1 P ok S
> 2 P breaks S node1 notices, goes into stand alone,
> stops waiting for N2 to confirm.
> 3 P broken S S notices, initiates fencing
> 4 x broken P N2 becomes primary
>
> Writes which have been done in between step 2-4 will have been confirmed
> to the higher layers, but are not actually available on N2. This is data
> loss; N2 is still consistent, but lost confirmed transaction.
>
> Partially, this is solved by the Oracle-requested "only ever confirm if
> committed to both nodes", but of course then if it's not a broken link,
> but N2 really went down, we'd be blocking on N1 forever, which we don't
> want to do for HA.
>
> So, here's the new sequence to solve this:
>
> Step N1 Link N2
> 1 P ok S
> 2 P(blk) ok X P blocks waiting for acks; heartbeat
> notices that it has lost N2, and initiates
> fencing.
> 3 P(blk) ok fenced heartbeat tells drbd on N1 that yes, we
> know it's dead, we fenced it, no point
> waiting.
> 4 P ok fenced Cluster proceeds to run.
>
> Now, in this super-safe mode, if now N1 also fails after step 3 but
> before N2 comes back up and is resynced, we need to make sure that N2
> does refuse to become primary itself. This will probably require
> additional magic in the cluster manager to handle correctly, but N2
> needs an additional flag to prevent this from happening by accident.
>
> Lars?
I think we can do this detection already with the combination of the
Consistent and Connected as well as HaveBeenPrimary flag. Only the logic
needs to be built in.
Most likely right after connection loss the Primary should blocks for a
configurable (default: infinity?) amount of time before giving end_io
events back to the upper layer.
We then need to be able to tell it to resume operation (we can do this,
as soon as we took precautions to prevent the Secondary to become
Primary without being forced or resynced before).
Or, if the cluster decides to do so, the Secondary has time to STONITH
the Primary (while that is still blocking) and take over.
I want to include a timeout, so the cluster manager don't need to
know about "peer is dead" notification, it only needs to know about
STONITH.
Maybe we want to introduce this functionality as a new wire protocoll,
or only in proto C.
lge
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2004-08-20 12:52 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Philipp Reisner
2004-08-20 13:32 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 14:28 ` [Drbd-dev] gen_counts and primary --human Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-23 21:57 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-23 21:56 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 9:42 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 10:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-08-25 11:30 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-08-25 13:38 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 9:48 ` [Drbd-dev] Another drbd race Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:00 ` Lars Ellenberg [this message]
2004-09-04 10:18 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-04 10:43 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-04 10:51 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 9:39 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 10:13 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 11:32 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:05 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-07 12:12 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:06 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:19 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 12:28 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-07 12:47 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-08 11:20 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 11:31 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 15:11 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-09-08 15:22 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-09-08 11:33 ` Philipp Reisner
2004-09-07 15:55 ` Lars Ellenberg
2004-08-20 14:10 ` [Drbd-dev] Re: drbd Frage zu secondary vs primary; drbddisk status problem Helmut Wollmersdorfer
2004-08-23 22:01 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
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