From: Roger Luethi <rl@hellgate.ch>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [BENCHMARK] nproc: netlink access to /proc information
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:52:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040829175245.GA32117@k3.hellgate.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040829172022.GL5492@holomorphy.com>
On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:20:22 -0700, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> > ==> 10000 processes: top -d 0 -b > /dev/null <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples % image name symbol name
> > 35855 36.0707 vmlinux get_tgid_list
> > 9366 9.4223 vmlinux pid_alive
> > 7077 7.1196 libc-2.3.3.so _IO_vfscanf_internal
> > 5386 5.4184 vmlinux number
> > 3664 3.6860 vmlinux proc_pid_stat
>
> get_tgid_list() is a sad story I don't have time to go into in depth.
> The short version is that larger systems are extremely sensitive to
> hold time for writes on the tasklist_lock, and this being on scales
> not needing SGI participation to tell us (though scales beyond personal
> financial resources still).
I am confident that this problem (as far as process monitoring is
concerned) could be addressed with differential notification.
> > ==> /prod/pid/statm (2x) for 10000 processes <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples % image name symbol name
> > 7430 9.9485 libc-2.3.3.so _IO_vfscanf_internal
> > 6195 8.2948 vmlinux __d_lookup
> > 5477 7.3335 vmlinux task_statm
> > 5082 6.8046 vmlinux number
> > 3227 4.3208 vmlinux link_path_walk
>
> scanf() is still very pronounced here; I wonder how well-optimized
> glibc's implementation is, or if otherwise it may be useful to
> circumvent it with a more specialized parser if its generality
> requirements preclude faster execution.
I'd much rather remove unnecessary overhead than optimize code for
overhead processing. Note that number() takes out 7% and that's the
_kernel_ printing numbers for user space to parse back. And __d_lookup
is another /proc souvenir you get to keep as long as you use /proc.
> > ==> 27 nproc fields for 10000 processes, one process per request <==
> > CPU: CPU with timer interrupt, speed 0 MHz (estimated)
> > Profiling through timer interrupt
> > samples % image name symbol name
> > 7647 25.0894 vmlinux __task_mem
> > 2125 6.9720 vmlinux find_pid
> > 1884 6.1813 vmlinux nproc_pid_fields
> > 1488 4.8820 vmlinux __task_mem_cheap
> > 1161 3.8092 vmlinux mmgrab
>
> It looks like I'm going after the right culprit(s) for the lower-level
> algorithms from this.
Well __task_mem is promiment here because I don't call other computation
functions. vmstat ain't cheap, and wchan is horribly expensive if the
kernel does the ksym translation. Etc. pp.
Roger
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-08-29 17:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-08-27 12:24 [0/2][ANNOUNCE] nproc: netlink access to /proc information Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 12:24 ` [1/2][PATCH] " Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 13:39 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 12:24 ` [2/2][sample code] nproc: user space app Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 14:50 ` [0/2][ANNOUNCE] nproc: netlink access to /proc information James Morris
2004-08-27 15:26 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 16:23 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-27 16:37 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-27 16:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-27 17:01 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-27 17:08 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28 19:45 ` [BENCHMARK] " Roger Luethi
2004-08-28 19:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-28 20:14 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 16:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 17:02 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 17:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 17:52 ` Roger Luethi [this message]
2004-08-29 18:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 19:00 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 20:17 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-29 20:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 21:45 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-29 22:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 21:41 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 23:31 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-30 7:16 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-30 10:31 ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-30 10:53 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-30 12:23 ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-30 12:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-30 13:43 ` Paulo Marques
2004-08-29 19:07 ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-29 19:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-29 19:49 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-29 20:25 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-08-31 10:16 ` Roger Luethi
2004-08-31 15:34 ` [BENCHMARK] nproc: Look Ma, No get_tgid_list! Roger Luethi
2004-08-31 19:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
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