From: "David Dabbs" <david@dabbs.net>
To: reiserfs-list@namesys.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [RFC] Pathname Semantics with //
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:49:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040910174518.1DAED15CE4@mail03.powweb.com> (raw)
> Jamie Lokier
>
> David Dabbs wrote:
>
> > Shooting from the hip here. If we want to unify namespaces in a
> > UNIXy
> way,
> > what if we make the VFS expose all the non-file "protocol"
> > namespaces through one mount point, device node or whatever. A
> > filesystem, perhaps something built using FiST
[http://www.filesystems.org/], would "handle"
> a
> > protocol. Another, perhaps preferred, option is to steer in the
> direction of
> > Plan9, where ftp can be mounted and handled by a user-space
> > filesystem, ftpfs.
> > See http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/4/ftpfs
>
> You can already do it, something like this:
>
> mkdir /http:; mount none /http: -t uservfs -o view=http
> mkdir /ftp:; mount none /ftp: -t uservfs -o view=ftp
>
> I don't see any compelling reason to make "//" special for this.
> However, if there is such a reason, then you could just mount protocol
> handlers on "//http:" and so on, and make "//" a normal directory with
> a special name.
>
> -- Jamie
Jamie, we _definitely_ agree, except apps that want to create links to URLs
will prepend one slash to the URL instead of two. Is your reference to
uservfs a "foo" reference or do you mean
http://sourceforge.net/projects/uservfs/? It looks a little dusty. But we
are pulling in the same direction.
The /file: node could simply be a symlink. Thus we have
cd /
ln -s / file:
mkdir http:; mount none /http: -t uservfs -o view=http
mkdir ftp:; mount none /ftp: -t uservfs -o view=ftp
#etc...
Pathnames would be resolved with the existing code in namei.c. I can
understand mounting a URL whose protocol looks like a fs tree (e.g. ftp),
but http? Namei() parses the pathname one component at a time, checks the
dcache, and goes to the fs when that fails. Let's trace through how a URL
might get resolved.
ln -s /http://sourceforge.net/projects/uservfs
cat uservfs
Pathname would be resolved as
/http:
sourceforge.net/
projects/
uservfs
I need to look closer at namei (or the uservfs code if it really supports a
view=http). As long as a fs can generate meaningful, stateful values in
response to VFS calls to real_lookup(), then this may work.
David
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From: "David Dabbs" <david@dabbs.net>
To: <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>, <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [RFC] Pathname Semantics with //
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:49:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040910174518.1DAED15CE4@mail03.powweb.com> (raw)
> Jamie Lokier
>
> David Dabbs wrote:
>
> > Shooting from the hip here. If we want to unify namespaces in a
> > UNIXy
> way,
> > what if we make the VFS expose all the non-file "protocol"
> > namespaces through one mount point, device node or whatever. A
> > filesystem, perhaps something built using FiST
[http://www.filesystems.org/], would "handle"
> a
> > protocol. Another, perhaps preferred, option is to steer in the
> direction of
> > Plan9, where ftp can be mounted and handled by a user-space
> > filesystem, ftpfs.
> > See http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/4/ftpfs
>
> You can already do it, something like this:
>
> mkdir /http:; mount none /http: -t uservfs -o view=http
> mkdir /ftp:; mount none /ftp: -t uservfs -o view=ftp
>
> I don't see any compelling reason to make "//" special for this.
> However, if there is such a reason, then you could just mount protocol
> handlers on "//http:" and so on, and make "//" a normal directory with
> a special name.
>
> -- Jamie
Jamie, we _definitely_ agree, except apps that want to create links to URLs
will prepend one slash to the URL instead of two. Is your reference to
uservfs a "foo" reference or do you mean
http://sourceforge.net/projects/uservfs/? It looks a little dusty. But we
are pulling in the same direction.
The /file: node could simply be a symlink. Thus we have
cd /
ln -s / file:
mkdir http:; mount none /http: -t uservfs -o view=http
mkdir ftp:; mount none /ftp: -t uservfs -o view=ftp
#etc...
Pathnames would be resolved with the existing code in namei.c. I can
understand mounting a URL whose protocol looks like a fs tree (e.g. ftp),
but http? Namei() parses the pathname one component at a time, checks the
dcache, and goes to the fs when that fails. Let's trace through how a URL
might get resolved.
ln -s /http://sourceforge.net/projects/uservfs
cat uservfs
Pathname would be resolved as
/http:
sourceforge.net/
projects/
uservfs
I need to look closer at namei (or the uservfs code if it really supports a
view=http). As long as a fs can generate meaningful, stateful values in
response to VFS calls to real_lookup(), then this may work.
David
next reply other threads:[~2004-09-10 17:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-10 17:49 David Dabbs [this message]
2004-09-10 17:49 ` [RFC] Pathname Semantics with // David Dabbs
2004-09-09 18:03 ` Hans Reiser
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-09 10:41 David Dabbs
2004-09-09 10:41 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-08 16:13 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 16:36 ` Peter Foldiak
2004-09-09 19:21 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-09 19:21 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-10 0:49 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-10 3:06 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-10 3:06 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-10 5:40 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 21:51 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-09 21:51 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-09 6:10 ` Hans Reiser
2004-09-09 17:33 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-09 20:17 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-09 20:17 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-09 20:41 ` Andreas Dilger
2004-09-10 9:11 ` Markus Törnqvist
2004-09-10 10:37 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-09 23:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-09-10 1:37 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-10 1:37 ` David Dabbs
2004-09-10 11:47 ` Christian Mayrhuber
2004-09-10 11:06 ` Christian Mayrhuber
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