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From: Tim Hockin <thockin@hockin.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Cc: Denis Vlasenko <vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: code bloat [was Re: Semaphore assembly-code bug]
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:50:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041030225027.GA23972@hockin.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4184193A.3060406@pobox.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2004 at 06:44:10PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Tim Hockin wrote:
> >So you end up with the mindset of, for example, "if it's text it's XML".
> >You have to parse everything as XML, when simple parsers would be tons
> >faster and simpler and smaller.
> 
> 
> hehehe.  One of the reasons why I like XML is that you don't have to 
> keep cloning new parsers.

I'm fine with XML, when it makes sense.  In fact, I wrote an XML parser.
It's blazingly fast.  But it doesn't try to do everything for everyone.
It does just as much as I needed.  And Whn I need XML, I don;t have any
problem linking it in.  It's only a couple hundred lines of C.

What irks me is best demonstrated by this:

At OLS last year or the year before, at a talk about DBUS, someone asked
about the DBUS protocol.  When told that it was binary, they asked if
there was any advantage to that over text.  The reply "We didn't want to
link an XML parser in".

Now, I am fine with not wanting to ad bloat.  But umm, the question was
about TEXT, not XML.  They are not the same thing.  Not all text should be
XML.


  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-30 23:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2004-10-30  2:04                           ` Semaphore assembly-code bug Andi Kleen
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2004-10-30  2:13                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-30  9:28                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-30 17:53                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-30 21:00                                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-30 21:14                                   ` code bloat [was Re: Semaphore assembly-code bug] Lee Revell
2004-10-30 22:11                                     ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-30 22:25                                       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-31 14:06                                         ` Diego Calleja
2004-10-31 20:53                                           ` Z Smith
2004-10-31 23:35                                             ` Rogério Brito
2004-11-01  1:20                                               ` Z Smith
2004-11-01 14:48                                             ` Diego Calleja
2004-11-01 15:09                                               ` [OT] " Russell Miller
2004-10-30 22:27                                       ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-30 22:44                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-30 22:50                                           ` Tim Hockin [this message]
2004-10-31 20:15                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-10-31 20:21                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-31 21:06                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-01 11:27                                             ` Alan Cox
2004-11-01 13:40                                               ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-11-01 23:04                                                 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-30 23:13                                         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-10-30 22:45                                           ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31  1:21                                             ` Z Smith
2004-10-31  2:47                                               ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-31 15:19                                               ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 20:18                                                 ` Z Smith
2004-11-01 11:05                                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-10-30 23:20                                           ` [OT] " Lee Revell
2004-10-30 22:52                                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31  1:09                                               ` Ken Moffat
2004-10-31  2:42                                                 ` Tim Connors
2004-10-31  4:45                                                   ` Paul
2004-10-31 14:44                                                 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31  0:48                                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-30 23:28                                           ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-31  2:04                                             ` Michael Clark
2004-10-31  6:49                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-10-31 21:09                                           ` Z Smith
2004-10-31 21:13                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-10-31 21:48                                               ` Z Smith
2004-11-01 11:29                                               ` Alan Cox
2004-11-01 12:36                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-01 15:17                                           ` Lee Revell
2004-11-01 16:56                                             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2004-10-31  6:37                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-10-31  0:39                                 ` Semaphore assembly-code bug Andi Kleen
2004-10-31  1:43                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-31  2:04                                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-01 14:26 code bloat [was Re: Semaphore assembly-code bug] Ian Kumlien

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