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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Time sliced CFQ io scheduler
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 07:55:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041208065534.GF3035@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041207180033.6699425b.akpm@osdl.org>

On Tue, Dec 07 2004, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > The desktop is ok with "as" simply because it's
> >  normally optimal to stop writes completely
> 
> AS doesn't "stop writes completely".  With the current settings it
> apportions about 1/3 of the disk's bandwidth to writes.
> 
> This thing Jens has found is for direct-io writes only.  It's a bug.

Indeed. It's a special case one, but nasty for that case.

> The other problem with AS is that it basically doesn't work at all with a
> TCQ depth greater than four or so, and lots of people blindly look at
> untuned SCSI benchmark results without realising that.  If a distro is

That's pretty easy to fix. I added something like that to cfq, and it's
not a lot of lines of code (grep for rq_in_driver and cfq_max_depth).

> always selecting CFQ then they've probably gone and deoptimised all their
> IDE users.  

Andrew, AS has other issues, it's not a case of AS always being faster
at everything.

> AS needs another iteration of development to fix these things.  Right now
> it's probably the case that we need CFQ or deadline for servers and AS for
> desktops.   That's awkward.

Currently I think the time sliced cfq is the best all around. There's
still a few kinks to be shaken out, but generally I think the concept is
sounder than AS.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-12-08  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-02 13:04 Time sliced CFQ io scheduler Jens Axboe
2004-12-02 13:48 ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-02 19:48   ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 19:52     ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-02 20:19       ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 20:19         ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-02 20:34           ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-02 20:37             ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-07 23:11               ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-02 22:18         ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03  7:01           ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03  9:12             ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03  9:18               ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03  9:35                 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03  9:43                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03  9:26               ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-03  9:34                 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03  9:39                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03  9:54                   ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
     [not found]                   ` <41B03722.5090001@gmx.de>
2004-12-03 10:31                     ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03 10:38                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03 10:45                         ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03 10:48                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03 11:27                             ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-03 11:29                               ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-03 11:52                                 ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-12-08  0:37       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  0:54         ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  1:37           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  1:47             ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  2:09               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  2:11                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-08  2:22                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  6:52               ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  2:00             ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-08  2:08               ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-08  6:55                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  2:20               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  2:25                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-08  2:33                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  2:33                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  2:51                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-12-08  3:02                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  6:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  7:14                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  7:20                         ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  7:29                           ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  7:32                             ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  7:30                           ` Andrew Morton
2004-12-08  7:36                             ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08 13:48                         ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  6:55               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2004-12-08  7:08                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  7:11                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  7:19                     ` Nick Piggin
2004-12-08  7:26                       ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  9:35                         ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08 10:08                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08 12:47                           ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08 10:52                 ` Helge Hafting
2004-12-08 10:49                   ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-08  6:49           ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-02 14:28 ` Giuliano Pochini
2004-12-02 14:41   ` Jens Axboe
2004-12-04 13:05     ` Giuliano Pochini
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-12-03 20:52 Chuck Ebbert

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