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From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Cc: karim@opersys.com, Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Nikita Danilov <nikita@clusterfs.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	ltt-dev <ltt-dev@listserv.shafik.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1
Date: 15 Jan 2005 01:20:01 +0100
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:20:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050115002001.GA70888@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <41E84E9E.1000907@am.sony.com>

On Fri, Jan 14, 2005 at 02:58:38PM -0800, Tim Bird wrote:
> > Roman Zippel wrote: 
> >>You don't think that's a little overkill?
> >
> >Based on the descriptions below, I think Roman is right.  There's
> too much going on here for the average user.  I haven't looked closely,
> but some of the stuff seems to be for esoteric use cases.  There are
> two ways to approach it:
>  - add a simplified API for the most common usage
>  - strip out the stuff that's not really needed, and figure out
>  workarounds for things (like tracing initialization) that need
>  special assistance.
> 
> Some of these options (e.g. bufsize) are available to the user
> via tracedaemon. I can honestly say I haven't got a clue what
> to use for some of them, and so always leave them at defaults.

This is a strong cue that they are unneeded. 

> > I can see why you'd say this as a first impression, but really it isn't.
> > 
> > Here's a simple primer to this call's parameters:
> > channel_path, mode:
> > 	Where does this appear in relayfs and what rights do
> > 	user-space apps have over it (rwx).
> > bufsize, nbufs:
> > 	Usually things have to be subdivided in sub-buffers to make
> > 	both writing and reading simple. LTT uses this to allow,
> > 	among other things, random trace access.
> Could these be simplified to a few enumerated modes?

Just make it a global single define in the source.

> 
> > channel_flags, channel_callbacks:
> > start_reserve, end_reserve, rchan_start_reserve:
> > resize_min, resize_max:
> > init_buf, init_buf_size:
> 
> It seems like you could remove these from relay_open() and move them to
> get()/set() operations if you wanted to simplify the open API.

I think all for which not an clear need is demonstrated should
be removed. If there is a real need it can be still readded later.
But in the current form it is far too complicated and too fat.

> Or, you could create other (separate) APIs to pre-fill the buffer or
> reserve space.  Do you want me to take a look at this and propose
> some specific changes?  (I won't get to this until Monday, though).

No, no, it far less APIs not more. 

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-15  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-14  8:23 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  8:47 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14  9:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 10:27   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Nikita Danilov
2005-01-14 10:38     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-14 11:06       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 15:31         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-14 21:11           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:58             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:20               ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2005-01-15  4:25               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  1:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-15  4:18               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  2:38                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  6:00                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:52                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-16 21:18                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17  1:37                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  2:24                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 12:20                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:32                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 22:42                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 23:26                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:41                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  0:02                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18  3:05                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 13:54                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-17 21:27                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 23:57                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  4:03                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  4:30                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Aaron Cohen
2005-01-18  4:46                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:07                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 16:40                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18 19:37                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-18 15:31                                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-21  6:26                                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-21 22:23                                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-23  7:43                                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  7:52                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-23  8:28                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-24  0:38                                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-25  9:12                                           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  1:13                             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18  2:52                               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 17:02                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 19:05                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:14                       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-19 16:53                         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-16 16:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:47               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:30               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tom Zanussi
2005-01-19 11:11                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-14 15:24   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Roman Zippel
2005-01-18 11:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-18 11:46     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andi Kleen
2005-01-18 14:52       ` [Lkst-develop] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Masami Hiramatsu
2005-01-14 12:36 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-14 13:04 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Kasper Sandberg
2005-01-14 18:35   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-14 19:08     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Rogério Brito
2005-01-14 19:41     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Peter Buckingham
2005-01-17 17:04     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Matthias Urlichs
2005-01-14 19:02   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Bill Davidsen
2005-01-14 15:07 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 16:56   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Dave Jones
2005-01-14 17:55     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-19 23:06   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Marcos D. Marado Torres
2005-01-19 23:54     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-14 15:35 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-14 22:03   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 17:35 ` [patch] 2.6.11-rc1-mm1: ip_tables.c: ipt_find_target must be EXPORT_SYMBOL'ed Adrian Bunk
2005-01-14 17:43   ` Patrick McHardy
2005-01-14 22:41 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-14 22:46 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-14 23:22   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Tim Bird
2005-01-15  0:24     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:27       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 16:18       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-15 13:08     ` [RFC] Instrumentation (was Re: 2.6.11-rc1-mm1) Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  2:09       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16  3:11         ` Roman Zippel
2005-01-16  4:23           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 23:43             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17  1:54               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 10:26                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 20:34                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-17 22:18                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-17 23:57                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-18  8:46                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-18 16:31                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-19  7:13                 ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-19 17:38                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-14 22:48 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andre Eisenbach
2005-01-15  8:42   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
2005-01-15  8:45   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Miklos Szeredi
     [not found] ` <1105740276.8604.83.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de>
2005-01-14 23:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  0:01     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  0:26       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-15  1:00         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-15  1:25           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15 10:20             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16  4:13               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 15:19                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  1:14       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-15  9:57         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-16 16:21     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 19:49       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:11         ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 20:32           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Andrew Morton
2005-01-16 21:06             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-16 21:40               ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-17 15:48                 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-17 16:13                   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-17 21:38                     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Karim Yaghmour
2005-01-16 20:39           ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-16 21:14             ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Robert Wisniewski
2005-01-15  2:58 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-17 22:19   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16  0:59 ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2005-01-16 19:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-16 19:20     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-16 21:09   ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-17 23:31     ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 J.A. Magallon
2005-01-18  2:35       ` 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  2:54   ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) Daniel Drake
2005-01-18  0:34     ` Al Viro
2005-01-18  0:02       ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-18  8:05         ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-18  8:28         ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-18  8:49           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-18 13:20             ` Helge Hafting
2005-01-20 20:55             ` [PATCH] Configurable delay before mounting root device Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 20:24               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-21 18:15                 ` Daniel Drake
2005-01-20 22:49               ` William Park
2005-01-18  1:03       ` [PATCH] Wait and retry mounting root device (revised) William Park
2005-01-19  0:43         ` Werner Almesberger
2005-01-18  8:02     ` Andries Brouwer
2005-01-19 20:11       ` Frank van Maarseveen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-17  6:49 2.6.11-rc1-mm1 Prasanna S Panchamukhi

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