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From: David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: Steven Dake <sdake@mvista.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1b/7] dlm: core locking
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:26:38 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050427142638.GG16502@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050427134142.GZ4431@marowsky-bree.de>

On Wed, Apr 27, 2005 at 03:41:42PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:

> So in effect, the delivery of the suspend/membership distribution/resume
> events are three cluster-wide barriers?
> 
> I can see how that simplifies the recovery algorithm.

Correct.  I actually consider it two external barriers: the first after
the lockspace has been suspended, the second after lockspace recovery is
completed.

> And, I assume that the delivery of a "node down" membership event
> implies that said node also has been fenced.

Typically it does if you're combining the dlm with something that requires
fencing (like a file system).  Fencing isn't relevant to the dlm itself,
though, since the dlm software isn't touching any storage.

> So we can't deliver it raw membership events. Noted.

That's right, it requires more intelligence on the part of the external
management system in userspace.

> If you want to think about this in terms of locking hierarchy, it's the
> high-level feature rich sophisticated aka bloated lock manager which
> controls the "lower level" faster and more scalable "sublockspace" and
> coordinates it in terms of the other complex objects (like fencing,
> applications, filesystems etc).
> 
> Just some food for thought how this all fits together rather neatly.

Interesting, and sounds correct.  I must admit that using the word "lock"
to describe these CRM-level inter-dependent objects is new to me.

Dave


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-27 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-25 16:58 [PATCH 1b/7] dlm: core locking David Teigland
2005-04-25 18:34 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-04-25 20:44   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 22:27     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-04-26  1:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 20:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-04-26  5:00   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 21:54 ` Steven Dake
2005-04-26  5:49   ` David Teigland
2005-04-26 17:40     ` Steven Dake
2005-04-26 22:24       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-26 23:04         ` Steven Dake
2005-04-27  0:53           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-27  1:50             ` Steven Dake
2005-04-27  4:21               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-27  3:02       ` David Teigland
2005-04-27 13:41         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-27 14:26           ` David Teigland [this message]
2005-04-28 12:33             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-28 16:39               ` Daniel McNeil
2005-04-28 16:45                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-29  8:25                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 20:45                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-02 23:23                       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-29  4:01                 ` David Teigland
2005-04-29 22:58                   ` Daniel McNeil
2005-04-30  4:29                     ` David Teigland
2005-04-30  9:09                     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-30 10:32                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-30 11:12                         ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 20:51                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-02 22:21                             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-05 12:25                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-05-05 12:40                         ` copy_to_user question linux
2005-05-05 13:13                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-05 19:29                         ` [PATCH 1b/7] dlm: core locking Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28  2:52           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28 12:37             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-28 23:43               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28  6:49           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28 12:55             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-29  0:26               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-29  2:52                 ` David Teigland
2005-04-29  3:49                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 21:00                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-03  2:54                       ` David Teigland
2005-04-27 12:33 ` Domen Puncer
2005-04-27 13:30   ` David Teigland

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