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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	karim@opersys.com, mingo@elte.hu, pmarques@grupopie.com,
	bruce@andrew.cmu.edu, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, ak@muc.de,
	sdietrich@mvista.com, dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org,
	akpm@osdl.org
Subject: Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:05:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050610230510.GG6564@g5.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050610230121.GB21618@nietzsche.lynx.com>

On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 04:01:21PM -0700, Bill Huey wrote:
> LynxOS runs on HP printers for real time guarantees all of the time and
> is good for general purpose usages as well. Folks use single image kernel
> for RT guarantees even before the existence RTAI and RT Linux. Your history
> is reversed here. People have been doing this for ages under a single image.

I don't care what folks did for ages, I care what I think is best to do
_now_ with linux, and I don't see why one should go with RTOS when much
simpler and more reliable and _more_performant_ solutions exists when
switching to linux, even for the printers.

> Hard RT is required in audio. It's require in processing DSP data coming
> from those cards. ioctl() paths are short and pretty much directly go to

Those are sort of problems where metal-hard may be simpler to deal with,
if there's a skip they'll record a second time, and you can just use
measurement and proabability there, without providing any guarantee.

Perhaps you can't handle valid criticism cause you have a conflict of
interest.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08  2:26 Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08  3:00 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-08 14:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-08 16:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-09  2:25   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 11:20   ` Philippe Gerum
2005-06-08 18:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-08 19:28   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 22:25     ` Eric Piel
2005-06-10 23:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:23         ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  0:59           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:38             ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:47               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-09 23:34 ` Tim Bird
2005-06-09 23:50   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10  2:59     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 15:47       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 17:37         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 19:39           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 19:41             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-10 22:37               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:43                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:52                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 23:00                   ` Flames go here (was Re: Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread) Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:08                   ` Attempted summary of "RT patch acceptance" thread Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:29                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11  1:41                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  1:50                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-11  2:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:54                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 21:04                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 23:48                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-12 17:06                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 21:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13  1:35                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 14:40                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 19:49                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:03                                       ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 20:21                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:26                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 20:23                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 20:28                                           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-13 22:00                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:11                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:18                                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:28                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:29                                                     ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:55                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  1:13                                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:07                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14  2:35                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  2:37                                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-06-14  3:24                                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-14 16:41                                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 19:20                                                           ` Bill Huey
2005-06-14 19:35                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-06-14 21:29                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2005-06-14 20:19                                                             ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14  7:00                                               ` Eugeny S. Mints
2005-06-14 16:09                                               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-06-14 16:47                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-13 20:38                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:10                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:31                                         ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 20:58                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 20:34                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 21:02                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-12 17:01                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-12 18:43                               ` Lee Revell
2005-06-12 19:12                                 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-11  5:23                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-06-11 17:24                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 20:22           ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 20:45           ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:06             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:19               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 22:37                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-10 22:49                   ` Daniel Walker
2005-06-10 23:01                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:05                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-06-10 23:15                       ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:16             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 23:26               ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:36                 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-06-10 23:41                   ` Bill Huey
2005-06-10 23:46                     ` Lee Revell
2005-06-11  1:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11 15:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-06-11 20:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-11  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 20:38         ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 23:12           ` Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-08 15:54 Eric Piel
2005-06-09  2:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-10 21:58   ` Eric Piel
2005-06-11  1:55     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-06-13 22:20 Saksena, Manas
2005-06-13 22:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:44   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-06-13 22:43 ` Bill Huey
2005-06-13 22:43 Saksena, Manas

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