Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Parag Warudkar]

>Now that Apple is going Intel, we will be forced to use whatever the Indians >provide.

What are the Indians going to provide that they didn't before Apple went the Intel route? I never knew we manufactured Apple hardware. Perhaps you wanted to say Chinese? Just curious... 

Parag

Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Parag Warudkar wrote:

>> Now that Apple is going Intel, we will be forced to use whatever the Indians >provide.
>
> What are the Indians going to provide that they didn't before Apple went the Intel route? I never knew we manufactured Apple hardware. Perhaps you wanted to say Chinese? Just curious...
>
> Parag
>

Intel is moving everything (except sales and administration) to
India according to recent reports in EETimes.

>
>

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Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Luigi Genoni]

maybe I don't understand the point.
where the problem is?

On Fri, July 1, 2005 13:29, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Parag Warudkar wrote:
>
>
>>> Now that Apple is going Intel, we will be forced to use whatever the
>>> Indians >provide.
>>>
>>
>> What are the Indians going to provide that they didn't before Apple
>> went the Intel route? I never knew we manufactured Apple hardware.
>> Perhaps you wanted to say Chinese? Just curious...
>>
>>
>> Parag
>>
>>
>
> Intel is moving everything (except sales and administration) to
> India according to recent reports in EETimes.
>
>
>>
>>
>
> Cheers,
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Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Luigi Genoni wrote:

> maybe I don't understand the point.
> where the problem is?
>

Apple's major claim-to-fame was that it represents an
"awesome, all-American computer", created by California
liberal entrepreneurs like Steve Wosniak and Steve Jobs.
Now, all engineering for the new platform will be done
in India.

It would be a major marketing slap for Jobs if the
new design was done in Indiana (USA), now it's going
to be done in India.

> On Fri, July 1, 2005 13:29, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Parag Warudkar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Now that Apple is going Intel, we will be forced to use whatever the
>>>> Indians >provide.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What are the Indians going to provide that they didn't before Apple
>>> went the Intel route? I never knew we manufactured Apple hardware.
>>> Perhaps you wanted to say Chinese? Just curious...
>>>
>>>
>>> Parag
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Intel is moving everything (except sales and administration) to
>> India according to recent reports in EETimes.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dick Johnson
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Re: reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Luigi Genoni]

well, I see.

the low cost workmen are attractive to
every company, from everywhere...

anyway, will come the day when in rich countries there will be no work
for people not belonging to the middle/high class,
since all the industrial work will be done in the pourer countries, and
we will see a paradox of global economy.

On Fri, July 1, 2005 14:17, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Luigi Genoni wrote:
>
>
>> maybe I don't understand the point. where the problem is?
>>
>
> Apple's major claim-to-fame was that it represents an
> "awesome, all-American computer", created by California
> liberal entrepreneurs like Steve Wosniak and Steve Jobs. Now, all
> engineering for the new platform will be done in India.
>
> It would be a major marketing slap for Jobs if the
> new design was done in Indiana (USA), now it's going to be done in India.
>
>> On Fri, July 1, 2005 13:29, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Parag Warudkar wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Now that Apple is going Intel, we will be forced to use whatever
>>>>> the Indians >provide.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What are the Indians going to provide that they didn't before Apple
>>>>  went the Intel route? I never knew we manufactured Apple hardware.
>>>>  Perhaps you wanted to say Chinese? Just curious...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Parag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Intel is moving everything (except sales and administration) to
>>> India according to recent reports in EETimes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dick Johnson
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Re: [OT] reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Parag Warudkar]

On Friday 01 July 2005 08:17, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> It would be a major marketing slap for Jobs if the
> new design was done in Indiana (USA), now it's going
> to be done in India.

Intel maybe moving part of chipset design to India but Apple still have their 
product design with them which they haven't announced they will move anywhere 
- or have they? 

I am not sure if Apple today designs and manufactures chipsets and CPUs in USA 
- most likely not, they buy it from IBM/Freescale. IBM/Freescale must have 
designed / manufactured the chipsets and CPUs anywhere - again most likely 
outside the US.  And from what I have heard Apple computers are assembled in 
China. 

So since long Apple's computers are designed in the US and manufactured / 
assembled outside of the USA. And that continues to be the case going 
forward, unless Apple announced they will move "their" product design to 
somewhere else as a result of Intel's move.

Parag

Re: [OT] reiser4 vs politics: linux misses out again

[Richard B. Johnson]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Parag Warudkar wrote:

> On Friday 01 July 2005 08:17, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
>> It would be a major marketing slap for Jobs if the
>> new design was done in Indiana (USA), now it's going
>> to be done in India.
>
> Intel maybe moving part of chipset design to India but Apple still have their
> product design with them which they haven't announced they will move anywhere
> - or have they?
>

Their Web Page doesn't show anything new as a result of the Intel
deal. I understand that the Intel deal involved Intel-provided
hardware design in one of Intel's new campuses in India. Intel
has been in China for several years and established a $US200M
"China-venture" fund to bring 20-21st century technology to
China (broadband, semiconductor design, etc.)

> I am not sure if Apple today designs and manufactures chipsets and CPUs in USA
> - most likely not, they buy it from IBM/Freescale. IBM/Freescale must have
> designed / manufactured the chipsets and CPUs anywhere - again most likely
> outside the US.  And from what I have heard Apple computers are assembled in
> China.
>

Yes. Enough "final assembly", i.e., putting it in its shipping-box
is done in the US so they don't need a "made in China" label!

Similar to GE appliances.

> So since long Apple's computers are designed in the US and manufactured /
> assembled outside of the USA. And that continues to be the case going
> forward, unless Apple announced they will move "their" product design to
> somewhere else as a result of Intel's move.
>

I think the US design is going away. I think in a few years, Silicon
Valley will revert to some plum trees with migrant workers picking
the crop. I might be able to buy an orchard at Apple's former site
for a few thousand dollars. I've got to start saving now, though.

> Parag
>

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