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* -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
@ 2005-09-13 17:47 Alexey Dobriyan
  2005-09-13 18:57 ` Sam Ravnborg
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Dobriyan @ 2005-09-13 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-kernel

2.6.13-git10 was OK (read: allmodconfig still broken, but not _that_
early).

If anybody want to see full logs, they are at
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/linux-sparse/logs/2.6.13-git11/W_sparse_{parisc,sh}.bz2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
parisc:

2.6.13-git11
hppa-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1)
which: no palo in ($PATH)
  CHK     include/linux/version.h
  UPD     include/linux/version.h
  SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-parisc
which: no palo in ($PATH)
scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/parisc/Kconfig
#
# using defaults found in .config
#
  SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
  CC      arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.s
In file included from include/asm/spinlock.h:4,
                 from include/asm/bitops.h:5,
                 from include/linux/bitops.h:77,
                 from include/linux/thread_info.h:20,
                 from include/linux/spinlock.h:53,
                 from include/linux/capability.h:45,
                 from include/linux/sched.h:7,
                 from arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.c:31:
include/asm/system.h:174: error: parse error before "pa_tlb_lock"
	...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
sh:

2.6.13-git11
sh-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1)
  CHK     include/linux/version.h
  UPD     include/linux/version.h
  Generating include/asm-sh/machtypes.h
  SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
  SYMLINK include/asm-sh/cpu -> include/asm-sh/cpu-sh4
  SYMLINK include/asm-sh/mach -> include/asm-sh/unknown
  SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-sh
  CC      arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.s
In file included from include/linux/spinlock_types.h:13,
                 from include/linux/spinlock.h:80,
                 from include/linux/capability.h:45,
                 from include/linux/sched.h:7,
                 from include/linux/mm.h:4,
                 from arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.c:13:
include/asm/spinlock_types.h:16: error: parse error before "atomic_t"
	...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-13 17:47 -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more Alexey Dobriyan
@ 2005-09-13 18:57 ` Sam Ravnborg
  2005-09-13 20:37   ` Alexey Dobriyan
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sam Ravnborg @ 2005-09-13 18:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexey Dobriyan; +Cc: linux-kernel

Hi Alexey.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:47:54PM +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> 2.6.13-git10 was OK (read: allmodconfig still broken, but not _that_
> early).
> 
> If anybody want to see full logs, they are at
> ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/linux-sparse/logs/2.6.13-git11/W_sparse_{parisc,sh}.bz2
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> parisc:
> 
> 2.6.13-git11
> hppa-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1)
> which: no palo in ($PATH)
>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
>   UPD     include/linux/version.h
>   SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-parisc
> which: no palo in ($PATH)
> scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/parisc/Kconfig
> #
> # using defaults found in .config
> #
>   SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
>   CC      arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.s
> In file included from include/asm/spinlock.h:4,
>                  from include/asm/bitops.h:5,
>                  from include/linux/bitops.h:77,
>                  from include/linux/thread_info.h:20,
>                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:53,
>                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
>                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
>                  from arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.c:31:
> include/asm/system.h:174: error: parse error before "pa_tlb_lock"
> 	...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> sh:
> 
> 2.6.13-git11
> sh-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 (Gentoo 3.4.4-r1)
>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
>   UPD     include/linux/version.h
>   Generating include/asm-sh/machtypes.h
>   SPLIT   include/linux/autoconf.h -> include/config/*
>   SYMLINK include/asm-sh/cpu -> include/asm-sh/cpu-sh4
>   SYMLINK include/asm-sh/mach -> include/asm-sh/unknown
>   SYMLINK include/asm -> include/asm-sh
>   CC      arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.s
> In file included from include/linux/spinlock_types.h:13,
>                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:80,
>                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
>                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
>                  from include/linux/mm.h:4,
>                  from arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.c:13:
> include/asm/spinlock_types.h:16: error: parse error before "atomic_t"
> 	...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have tried to understand why this happens with no success..
Not much has changed in how we actually compile the .c -> .s files.
In both cases it looks like gcc is warning that a sane typedef is not
present.

Have you tried to dive more into this, or have you just reported the
breakage?

	Sam

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-13 18:57 ` Sam Ravnborg
@ 2005-09-13 20:37   ` Alexey Dobriyan
  2005-09-13 20:39     ` Sam Ravnborg
  2005-09-14  7:42     ` Grant Grundler
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Dobriyan @ 2005-09-13 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sam Ravnborg; +Cc: linux-kernel, Ingo Molnar, Grant Grundler

On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 08:57:59PM +0200, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 09:47:54PM +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> > 2.6.13-git10 was OK (read: allmodconfig still broken, but not _that_
> > early).

> > parisc:
> > 
> > 2.6.13-git11

> >   CC      arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.s
> > In file included from include/asm/spinlock.h:4,
> >                  from include/asm/bitops.h:5,
> >                  from include/linux/bitops.h:77,
> >                  from include/linux/thread_info.h:20,
> >                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:53,
> >                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
> >                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
> >                  from arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.c:31:
> > include/asm/system.h:174: error: parse error before "pa_tlb_lock"

> > In file included from include/linux/spinlock_types.h:13,
> >                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:80,
> >                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
> >                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
> >                  from include/linux/mm.h:4,
> >                  from arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.c:13:
> > include/asm/spinlock_types.h:16: error: parse error before "atomic_t"

> I have tried to understand why this happens with no success..
> Not much has changed in how we actually compile the .c -> .s files.
> In both cases it looks like gcc is warning that a sane typedef is not
> present.
> 
> Have you tried to dive more into this, or have you just reported the
> breakage?

fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 is first bad commit
diff-tree fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 (from 4327edf6b8a7ac7dce144313947995538842d8fd)
Author: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Date:   Sat Sep 10 00:25:56 2005 -0700

    [PATCH] spinlock consolidation
    
    This patch (written by me and also containing many suggestions of Arjan van
    de Ven) does a major cleanup of the spinlock code.  It does the following
    things:

	[snip]

    arm, i386, ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390/s390x, x64 was build-tested via
    crosscompilers.  m32r, mips, sh, sparc, have not been tested yet, but should
    be mostly fine.

P. S.: git bisect absolutely rocks! 10 minutes.


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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-13 20:37   ` Alexey Dobriyan
@ 2005-09-13 20:39     ` Sam Ravnborg
  2005-09-14  7:42     ` Grant Grundler
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Sam Ravnborg @ 2005-09-13 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexey Dobriyan; +Cc: linux-kernel, Ingo Molnar, Grant Grundler

Hi Alexey.

 
> > > parisc:
> > > 
> > > 2.6.13-git11
> 
> > >   CC      arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.s
> > > In file included from include/asm/spinlock.h:4,
> > >                  from include/asm/bitops.h:5,
> > >                  from include/linux/bitops.h:77,
> > >                  from include/linux/thread_info.h:20,
> > >                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:53,
> > >                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
> > >                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
> > >                  from arch/parisc/kernel/asm-offsets.c:31:
> > > include/asm/system.h:174: error: parse error before "pa_tlb_lock"
> 
> > > In file included from include/linux/spinlock_types.h:13,
> > >                  from include/linux/spinlock.h:80,
> > >                  from include/linux/capability.h:45,
> > >                  from include/linux/sched.h:7,
> > >                  from include/linux/mm.h:4,
> > >                  from arch/sh/kernel/asm-offsets.c:13:
> > > include/asm/spinlock_types.h:16: error: parse error before "atomic_t"
> 

...
> 
> fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 is first bad commit
> diff-tree fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 (from 4327edf6b8a7ac7dce144313947995538842d8fd)
> Author: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Date:   Sat Sep 10 00:25:56 2005 -0700
> 
>     [PATCH] spinlock consolidation
>     
>     This patch (written by me and also containing many suggestions of Arjan van
>     de Ven) does a major cleanup of the spinlock code.  It does the following
>     things:
> 
> 	[snip]
> 
>     arm, i386, ia64, ppc, ppc64, s390/s390x, x64 was build-tested via
>     crosscompilers.  m32r, mips, sh, sparc, have not been tested yet, but should
>     be mostly fine.
> 
> P. S.: git bisect absolutely rocks! 10 minutes.

I was chasing a bug in asm-offsets.h handling and looked at a far to old
tree (read: 24 hour old).
I leave this to Ingo and friends.

	Sam

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-13 20:37   ` Alexey Dobriyan
  2005-09-13 20:39     ` Sam Ravnborg
@ 2005-09-14  7:42     ` Grant Grundler
  2005-09-14  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Grant Grundler @ 2005-09-14  7:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexey Dobriyan; +Cc: Sam Ravnborg, linux-kernel, Ingo Molnar, Grant Grundler

On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:37:20AM +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> > > 2.6.13-git11
...
> > > include/asm/system.h:174: error: parse error before "pa_tlb_lock"
...
> fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 is first bad commit
> diff-tree fb1c8f93d869b34cacb8b8932e2b83d96a19d720 (from 4327edf6b8a7ac7dce144313947995538842d8fd)
> Author: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
> Date:   Sat Sep 10 00:25:56 2005 -0700
> 
>     [PATCH] spinlock consolidation

If someone can give me a recipe how to access 2.6.13-git11 source tree,
I should be able to unravel this and submit a tested patch in < 48h.
I'm pretty sure it's just an issue of parisc being slightly behind
the main tree. Ingo's patch is clearly a step in the right direction.

thanks,
grant

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-14  7:42     ` Grant Grundler
@ 2005-09-14  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
  2005-09-14  7:44         ` Ingo Molnar
  2005-09-14  9:17         ` Grant Grundler
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ingo Molnar @ 2005-09-14  7:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Grant Grundler; +Cc: Alexey Dobriyan, Sam Ravnborg, linux-kernel


* Grant Grundler <grundler@parisc-linux.org> wrote:

> >     [PATCH] spinlock consolidation
> 
> If someone can give me a recipe how to access 2.6.13-git11 source 
> tree, I should be able to unravel this and submit a tested patch in < 
> 48h. I'm pretty sure it's just an issue of parisc being slightly 
> behind the main tree. Ingo's patch is clearly a step in the right 
> direction.

git snapshots dont seem to be working right now, so either you download 
git and sync up to kernel.org, or try 2.6.14-rc1 to trigger the same 
problem:

 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.14-rc1.tar.bz2

	Ingo

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-14  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
@ 2005-09-14  7:44         ` Ingo Molnar
  2005-09-14  9:17         ` Grant Grundler
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Ingo Molnar @ 2005-09-14  7:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Grant Grundler; +Cc: Alexey Dobriyan, Sam Ravnborg, linux-kernel


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> git snapshots dont seem to be working right now, [...]

looked into the wrong place. You can get -git11 from:

 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.13-git11.bz2

or -git12 (the latest Linus tree) from:

 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.13-git12.bz2

	Ingo

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-14  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
  2005-09-14  7:44         ` Ingo Molnar
@ 2005-09-14  9:17         ` Grant Grundler
  2005-09-14 12:50           ` Matthew Wilcox
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Grant Grundler @ 2005-09-14  9:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ingo Molnar
  Cc: Grant Grundler, Alexey Dobriyan, Sam Ravnborg, linux-kernel,
	willy

On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 09:43:09AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > If someone can give me a recipe how to access 2.6.13-git11 source 
> > tree, I should be able to unravel this and submit a tested patch in < 
> > 48h. I'm pretty sure it's just an issue of parisc being slightly 
> > behind the main tree. Ingo's patch is clearly a step in the right 
> > direction.
> 
> git snapshots dont seem to be working right now, so either you download 
> git and sync up to kernel.org, or try 2.6.14-rc1 to trigger the same 
> problem:
> 
>  http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/linux-2.6.14-rc1.tar.bz2

thanks!

I already had 2.6.14-rc1 and used that to base this patch.
I *think* the appended patch will fix the problem by moving
the definition of the pa_tlb_lock into it's main user: asm/tlbflush.h.

I'm not certain because the parisc build now fails with:
  CC      arch/parisc/kernel/drivers.o
arch/parisc/kernel/drivers.c: In function 'next_dev':
arch/parisc/kernel/drivers.c:65: error: 'struct device' has no member named 'children'
arch/parisc/kernel/drivers.c:66: warning: implicit declaration of function 'list_to_dev'
...

Looks like parisc/kernel/drivers.c is out of sync with the
parisc-linux.org CVS tree. The p-l.o tree doesn't define "next_dev()"
in drivers.c. It might be obvious to willy what's up here.
ISTR he wanted to sync up tomorrow with linus again anyway.
Willy?

But I'm pretty sure this patch is the first correct step
to unraveling this original build failure.

I didn't see any other spinlocks defined in asm-parisc/system.h.
ISTR the original problem report flagged another lock and I'll
take care of it as well when it pops up again.

thanks,
grant

Signed-off-by: Grant Grundler <grundler@parisc-linux.org>


--- linux-2.6.14-rc1/arch/parisc/kernel/pci-dma.c	2005-09-12 20:12:09.000000000 -0700
+++ pa_tlb_lock-moved/arch/parisc/kernel/pci-dma.c	2005-09-14 01:21:29.000000000 -0700
@@ -26,6 +26,7 @@
 #include <linux/types.h>
 
 #include <asm/cacheflush.h>
+#include <asm/tlbflush.h>
 #include <asm/dma.h>    /* for DMA_CHUNK_SIZE */
 #include <asm/io.h>
 #include <asm/page.h>	/* get_order */
diff -urp linux-2.6.14-rc1/include/asm-parisc/system.h pa_tlb_lock-moved/include/asm-parisc/system.h
--- linux-2.6.14-rc1/include/asm-parisc/system.h	2005-09-12 20:12:09.000000000 -0700
+++ pa_tlb_lock-moved/include/asm-parisc/system.h	2005-09-14 01:25:47.000000000 -0700
@@ -165,24 +165,6 @@ static inline void set_eiem(unsigned lon
 
 #define KERNEL_START (0x10100000 - 0x1000)
 
-/* This is for the serialisation of PxTLB broadcasts.  At least on the
- * N class systems, only one PxTLB inter processor broadcast can be
- * active at any one time on the Merced bus.  This tlb purge
- * synchronisation is fairly lightweight and harmless so we activate
- * it on all SMP systems not just the N class. */
-#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
-extern spinlock_t pa_tlb_lock;
-
-#define purge_tlb_start(x) spin_lock(&pa_tlb_lock)
-#define purge_tlb_end(x) spin_unlock(&pa_tlb_lock)
-
-#else
-
-#define purge_tlb_start(x) do { } while(0)
-#define purge_tlb_end(x) do { } while (0)
-
-#endif
-
 #define arch_align_stack(x) (x)
 
 #endif
diff -urp linux-2.6.14-rc1/include/asm-parisc/tlbflush.h pa_tlb_lock-moved/include/asm-parisc/tlbflush.h
--- linux-2.6.14-rc1/include/asm-parisc/tlbflush.h	2005-09-12 20:12:09.000000000 -0700
+++ pa_tlb_lock-moved/include/asm-parisc/tlbflush.h	2005-09-14 01:26:42.000000000 -0700
@@ -45,7 +45,27 @@ static inline void flush_tlb_mm(struct m
 extern __inline__ void flush_tlb_pgtables(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long start, unsigned long end)
 {
 }
+
+
+/* This is for the serialisation of PxTLB broadcasts.  At least on the
+ * N class systems, only one PxTLB inter processor broadcast can be
+ * active at any one time on the Merced bus.  This tlb purge
+ * synchronisation is fairly lightweight and harmless so we activate
+ * it on all SMP systems not just the N class. */
+#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
+extern spinlock_t pa_tlb_lock;
+
+#define purge_tlb_start(x) spin_lock(&pa_tlb_lock)
+#define purge_tlb_end(x) spin_unlock(&pa_tlb_lock)
+
+#else
+
+#define purge_tlb_start(x) do { } while(0)
+#define purge_tlb_end(x) do { } while (0)
+
+#endif
  
+
 static inline void flush_tlb_page(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
 	unsigned long addr)
 {

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-14  9:17         ` Grant Grundler
@ 2005-09-14 12:50           ` Matthew Wilcox
  2005-09-14 14:52             ` Linus Torvalds
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2005-09-14 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Grant Grundler
  Cc: Ingo Molnar, Alexey Dobriyan, Sam Ravnborg, linux-kernel,
	torvalds, seb

On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 03:17:22AM -0600, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Looks like parisc/kernel/drivers.c is out of sync with the
> parisc-linux.org CVS tree. The p-l.o tree doesn't define "next_dev()"
> in drivers.c. It might be obvious to willy what's up here.
> ISTR he wanted to sync up tomorrow with linus again anyway.
> Willy?

The parisc tree hasn't been merged with Linus in a long time because I
find git completely impossible to use.  The howtos are all out of date
and contradict each other.  They don't tell me what I need to know.
Everybody who uses them has their own collection of private scripts that
work around the worst misfeatures.  It's a complete fucking disaster.

The Debian cogito package doesn't have half the tools mentioned in the
howtos, as well as being months out of date.  Last time I had the energy
to fight with it, it didn't even support pack files.

I'd love to stop using CVS and just use git.  But it simply doesn't work.

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* Re: -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more
  2005-09-14 12:50           ` Matthew Wilcox
@ 2005-09-14 14:52             ` Linus Torvalds
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Linus Torvalds @ 2005-09-14 14:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Wilcox
  Cc: Grant Grundler, Ingo Molnar, Alexey Dobriyan, Sam Ravnborg,
	linux-kernel, seb



On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> 
> The parisc tree hasn't been merged with Linus in a long time because I
> find git completely impossible to use.  The howtos are all out of date
> and contradict each other.  They don't tell me what I need to know.
> Everybody who uses them has their own collection of private scripts that
> work around the worst misfeatures.  It's a complete fucking disaster.

Actually, that's not true. I was asking people what scripts they use the 
other day, and was surprised to learn that they don't use any at all.

And especially if you use git itself - _without_ any special scripts, the
git mailing list is actually active and quite helpful. I haven't seen you 
ask anything there.. Hint hint..

> The Debian cogito package doesn't have half the tools mentioned in the
> howtos, as well as being months out of date.  Last time I had the energy
> to fight with it, it didn't even support pack files.

Now _that_ is true. You can't depend on vendor packaging. They are _way_ 
too slow. For now, you absolutely have to do it yourself.

(Well, "absolutely have to" may not be true - you can find RPM's etc, but 
you might as well resign yourself to it for the next few months).

Just do this: 

 - get the last daily snapshot from 

	http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/projects/git-snapshots/git/

   (this is mentioned in the overview, btw, directly reachable from 
   www.kernel.org/git, so it's even well documented)

 - compile and install it: "make" + "make install"

 - just as an exercise (and because it's a lot smaller than the kernel 
   and thus downloads much faster), get the git.git tree:

	git clone rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/git/git.git git-tree
	cd git-tree
	git checkout
	make
	make install

   and you've now gotten the most up-to-date git there is. The nice thing 
   about this is that going an update is now

	git pull origin

   so you can trivially keep track of it forever after.

 - now you're getting ready to get a _real_ project. This will take some 
   time.

	git clone \
		rsync://rsync.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git \
		kernel-tree
	cd kernel-tree
	git checkout

   and you have the kernel sources. On my 1.5Mbps DSL line, it takes about
   ten minutes, because you're downloading about 80MB of stuff (and 
   the checkout unpacks 17,000 files and takes 5 seconds for me, but a 
   _lot_ more if you don't have tons of memory to cache the thing).  But
   it's not horrible.

 - play around.

And git really isn't that hard to use any more. If you tried it two months 
ago, it was a _lot_ more complicated. These days, if you can work with 
CVS, it's a hell of a lot more pleasant than that ;)

(It doesn't have a really nice graphical merge tool like BK did, for 
example: you end up having to resolve merge clashes the CVS way by 
searching for "<<<<<"/"======"/">>>>>>" markers.. The good news is that 
it gets merge clashes pretty infrequently - I get them maybe once a week, 
and I merge a _lot_)

		Linus

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2005-09-13 17:47 -git11 breaks parisc and sh even more Alexey Dobriyan
2005-09-13 18:57 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-13 20:37   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2005-09-13 20:39     ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-14  7:42     ` Grant Grundler
2005-09-14  7:43       ` Ingo Molnar
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2005-09-14 12:50           ` Matthew Wilcox
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