ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

[Neil Brown]

Greetings.

 It is generally accepted in the linux-kernel community that mailing
 lists for discussion problems with parts of the kernel should not be
 subscriber-only.  This is (in part) because subscriber-only lists
 increase the barrier to submitting useful problem reports, and we
 want to get useful problem reports.

 Hence, I intend to switch nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to accept mail
 from non-subscribers.

 If you have a violent objection to this, please write now.
 I don't believe a fear of 'SPAM' is a reasonable objection as there
 are plenty of tools available that reduce SPAM substantially.

NeilBrown


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Re: ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

[Brian J. Murrell]

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On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 18:10 +0200, Neil Brown wrote:
> 
>  If you have a violent objection to this, please write now.

Not really violent.

>  I don't believe a fear of 'SPAM' is a reasonable objection as there
>  are plenty of tools available that reduce SPAM substantially.

Indeed, and better done as far upstream as possible.  i.e. don't
distribute spam for every recipient to have to deal with.  It's better
if the distribution point deals with it.

b.

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Brian J. Murrell

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Re: ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

[H. J. Lu]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:10:32PM +0200, Neil Brown wrote:
> 
> Greetings.
> 
>  It is generally accepted in the linux-kernel community that mailing
>  lists for discussion problems with parts of the kernel should not be
>  subscriber-only.  This is (in part) because subscriber-only lists
>  increase the barrier to submitting useful problem reports, and we
>  want to get useful problem reports.
> 
>  Hence, I intend to switch nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to accept mail
>  from non-subscribers.
> 
>  If you have a violent objection to this, please write now.
>  I don't believe a fear of 'SPAM' is a reasonable objection as there
>  are plenty of tools available that reduce SPAM substantially.
> 

I have no objection.


H.J.


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Re: Re: ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

[J. Bruce Fields]

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:10:32PM +0200, Neil Brown wrote:
> >  Hence, I intend to switch nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to accept mail
> >  from non-subscribers.

Has that changed? Because I'm still seeing these long delays:

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Re: Re: ADMINSTRIVIA - Intent to open nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to non-subscribers.

[Neil Brown]

On Thursday October 6, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 06:10:32PM +0200, Neil Brown wrote:
> > >  Hence, I intend to switch nfs@lists.sourceforge.net to accept mail
> > >  from non-subscribers.
> 
> Has that changed? Because I'm still seeing these long delays:
> 

I had planned to leave it a few days for people to have a chance to
comment.  I ended up leaving it two weeks (a little longer than I
planned, but still...).

Yesterday I went to look into it, found a large number of pending
messages and went though them, discarding the spam and approving the
ham. 

I then disabled the auto-response email that told people their message
had to be approved (as I think that is the most annoying part of the
process), made sure that I got notifications of non-subscriber email,
and left it subscriber-only for now.
My plan was to approve things promptly and monitor the spam levels and
the hassle (to me) level, and decided then whether to open it
completely or not.

However it seems that someone has beaten me to it and made the list
open while I slept.....

So, maybe I'll just leave it that way.

NeilBrown


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