From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: ak@suse.de, torvalds@osdl.org, tony.luck@gmail.com,
paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New (now current development process)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:17:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051030231702.GH2846@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051030145533.5733b12d.akpm@osdl.org>
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 02:55:33PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > That's fine if you have the hardware to be able to debug these issues.
>
> Most driver bugs cannot be reproduced by the developer. Almost by
> definition: if the patch had caused problems on the developer's machine, he
> wouldn't have shipped it.
>
> This is why we have this wonderful group of long-suffering people who
> download and test development kernels for us, and who take the time to
> report defects.
>
> Yes, it's painful to get into a long-range debugging session, sending debug
> patches, twelve-hour turnaround, etc. But what alternative have we?
However, it helps if you have a grasp of technologies like ACPI,
IO-APICs, APICs, PCI IRQ routing for x86 problems. Since I don't
work in the x86 field, I have _zero_ knowledge of such things
because they just don't apply when working on ARM.
That makes debugging x86 problems a nightmare. Remember I gave
up with trying to sort out peoples PCMCIA problems?
--
Russell King
Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
maintainer of: 2.6 Serial core
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-10-30 23:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-10-29 17:26 New (now current development process) Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-10-29 18:57 ` Tony Luck
2005-10-29 19:51 ` Russell King
2005-10-29 20:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-29 20:44 ` Akula2
2005-10-29 23:28 ` Greg KH
2005-10-29 22:29 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-29 22:37 ` Russell King
2005-10-30 19:12 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 21:43 ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:31 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 22:45 ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 23:17 ` Russell King [this message]
2005-10-31 0:48 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31 0:16 ` Russell King
2005-10-31 1:22 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 2:41 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31 6:34 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-10-31 7:07 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 23:58 ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01 0:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-01 0:34 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01 0:59 ` Grant Coady
2005-11-01 14:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01 15:15 ` Nix
2005-11-01 15:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-02 5:01 ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02 5:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02 5:56 ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02 6:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02 6:15 ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02 15:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02 17:48 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-02 18:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-02 20:11 ` David Lang
2005-11-02 22:31 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-11-03 18:54 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-02 23:11 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 22:08 ` Tim Bird
2005-11-04 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-04 23:33 ` Tim Bird
2005-11-02 15:41 ` Andreas Kleen
2005-11-01 7:52 ` Russell King
2005-11-01 9:09 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01 0:17 ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01 0:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-10-31 1:10 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 5:05 ` Rob Landley
2005-10-31 7:17 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 8:47 ` Rogério Brito
2005-10-31 9:54 ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-02 5:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-30 21:32 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-10-31 0:45 ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31 0:18 ` Al Viro
2005-10-31 3:14 ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31 3:34 ` Al Viro
2005-10-31 6:17 ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31 7:22 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 7:27 ` Al Viro
2005-10-31 8:19 ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-02 4:53 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02 4:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31 4:52 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02 14:44 ` Andreas Kleen
2005-10-30 1:12 ` Tony Luck
2005-10-31 6:41 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07 4:54 ` Eric Sandall
2005-11-07 16:12 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-11-07 17:11 ` Christopher Friesen
2005-11-07 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 20:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07 18:25 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-10-30 0:37 ` Jesper Juhl
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