mails silently discarded

mails silently discarded

[Christian Lackas]

Hello list,

I have just installed mlmmj-1.2.8 on a FreeBSD 6.0 using sendmail
8.13.4. By means of mlmmj-make-ml.sh, I created directories for a test
mailinglist under /var/spool/mlmmj and changed the owner of these files
to mailnull:mailnull (which is the id my sendmail uses to access those
files). Subsequently, I added an alias entry:

    mlmmj-test:  "|/usr/local/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/mlmmj-test/"

In mlmmj-test/control I have only two files:

    listaddress:    mlmmj-test@mydomain.de
    owner:          christian@mydomain.de

In general I followed the track of the README file.

However, all mails send to the list (even from subscribed users) are
silently moved to queue/discarded. Control mails (like help/subscribe)
work fine.

What may be the reason for the rejection? Is there a logfile that could
give me a clue?


Cheers
 Christian

-- 
Forschungszentrum Juelich       Central Institute For Electronics (ZEL)
Leo-Brandt-Strasse              52425 Juelich, Germany
Tel: +49-2461-61 2425           Fax: +49-2461-61 3990

Re: mails silently discarded

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Christian Lackas <c.lackas@fz-juelich.de> [Nov 21. 2005 15:44]:
> Hello list,
> 
> I have just installed mlmmj-1.2.8 on a FreeBSD 6.0 using sendmail
> 8.13.4. By means of mlmmj-make-ml.sh, I created directories for a test
> mailinglist under /var/spool/mlmmj and changed the owner of these files
> to mailnull:mailnull (which is the id my sendmail uses to access those
> files). Subsequently, I added an alias entry:
> 
>     mlmmj-test:  "|/usr/local/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/mlmmj-test/"
> 
> In mlmmj-test/control I have only two files:
> 
>     listaddress:    mlmmj-test@mydomain.de
>     owner:          christian@mydomain.de
> 
> In general I followed the track of the README file.
> 
> However, all mails send to the list (even from subscribed users) are
> silently moved to queue/discarded. Control mails (like help/subscribe)
> work fine.
> 
> What may be the reason for the rejection? Is there a logfile that could
> give me a clue?

Can you show us such a discarded mail?

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: mails silently discarded

[Christian Lackas]

* Mads Martin Jørgensen <mmj@mmj.dk> [051121 15:47]:

Hello Mads,

> > What may be the reason for the rejection? Is there a logfile that could
> > give me a clue?
> Can you show us such a discarded mail?

Sure. Here is one:

| From lackas@www.haik.de Mon Nov 21 15:28:36 2005
| Received: from www.haik.de (localhost [127.0.0.1])
|         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALESZKl037958
|         for <mlmmj-test@haik.de>; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
|         (envelope-from lackas@www.haik.de)
| Received: (from lackas@localhost)
|         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id jALESZ7k037957
|         for mlmmj-test@haik.de; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
|         (envelope-from lackas)
| Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
| From: Christian Lackas <lackas@www.haik.de>
| Message-Id: <200511211428.jALESZ7k037957@www.haik.de>
| To: mlmmj-test@haik.de
| Subject: does it work?
| 
| removed all control files

or this one:

| From lackas@www.haik.de Mon Nov 21 15:19:43 2005
| Received: from www.haik.de (localhost [127.0.0.1])
|         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALEJhS0037782
|         for <mlmmj-test@haik.de>; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:19:43 +0100 (CET)
|         (envelope-from lackas@www.haik.de)
| Received: (from lackas@localhost)
|         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id jALEJfMD037781
|         for mlmmj-test@haik.de; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:19:41 +0100 (CET)
|         (envelope-from lackas)
| Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:19:41 +0100 (CET)
| From: Christian Lackas <lackas@www.haik.de>
| Message-Id: <200511211419.jALEJfMD037781@www.haik.de>
| To: mlmmj-test@haik.de
| Subject: does it work now?
| 
| adasdf

The adress <lackas@www.haik.de> is subscribed (the ML is, however,
supposed to be open) and the To: header line also matches the content of
control/listaddress.

As far as I have seen the system should send notifications if it rejects
mails, should'nt it?

Cheers
 Christian

-- 
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Re: mails silently discarded

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Christian Lackas <delta@lackas.net> [Nov 21. 2005 17:03]:
> | From lackas@www.haik.de Mon Nov 21 15:28:36 2005
> | Received: from www.haik.de (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> |         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jALESZKl037958
> |         for <mlmmj-test@haik.de>; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
> |         (envelope-from lackas@www.haik.de)
> | Received: (from lackas@localhost)
> |         by www.haik.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id jALESZ7k037957
> |         for mlmmj-test@haik.de; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
> |         (envelope-from lackas)
> | Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:28:35 +0100 (CET)
> | From: Christian Lackas <lackas@www.haik.de>
> | Message-Id: <200511211428.jALESZ7k037957@www.haik.de>
> | To: mlmmj-test@haik.de
> | Subject: does it work?
> | 
> | removed all control files

As you can see, there's no Return-Path: header in the mail. You have to
get sendmail to add the envelope from in the Return-Path: header, or it
will be considered an illegal mail, and thus be discarded.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.