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From: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Wu Fengguang <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] properly account readahead file major faults
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:08:56 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051122080856.GA30761@logos.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511221249470.24803@goblin.wat.veritas.com>

Hi Hugh!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:55:02PM +0000, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > 
> > Pages which hit the first time in cache due to readahead _have_ caused
> > IO, and as such they should be counted as major faults.
> 
> Have caused IO, or have benefitted from IO which was done earlier?

Which caused IO, either synchronously or via (previously read)
readahead.

> It sounds debatable, each will have their own idea of what's major.

I see your point... and I much prefer the "majflt means IO performed"
definition :)

As a user I want to know how many pages have been read in from disk to
service my application requests.

>From the "time" manpage:

F      Number of major, or I/O-requiring, page faults  that  oc-
       curred  while  the process was running.  These are faults
       where the page has actually migrated out of primary memo-
       ry.

> Maybe PageUptodate at the time the entry is found in the page cache
> should come into it?  !PageUptodate implying that we'll be waiting
> for read to complete.

Hum, I still strongly feel that users care about IO performed and not
readahead effectiveness (which could be separate information).

I don't think the semantics are precisely defined anywhere are they?

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From: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Wu Fengguang <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] properly account readahead file major faults
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:08:56 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051122080856.GA30761@logos.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511221249470.24803@goblin.wat.veritas.com>

Hi Hugh!

On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 12:55:02PM +0000, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > 
> > Pages which hit the first time in cache due to readahead _have_ caused
> > IO, and as such they should be counted as major faults.
> 
> Have caused IO, or have benefitted from IO which was done earlier?

Which caused IO, either synchronously or via (previously read)
readahead.

> It sounds debatable, each will have their own idea of what's major.

I see your point... and I much prefer the "majflt means IO performed"
definition :)

As a user I want to know how many pages have been read in from disk to
service my application requests.

>From the "time" manpage:

F      Number of major, or I/O-requiring, page faults  that  oc-
       curred  while  the process was running.  These are faults
       where the page has actually migrated out of primary memo-
       ry.

> Maybe PageUptodate at the time the entry is found in the page cache
> should come into it?  !PageUptodate implying that we'll be waiting
> for read to complete.

Hum, I still strongly feel that users care about IO performed and not
readahead effectiveness (which could be separate information).

I don't think the semantics are precisely defined anywhere are they?

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-22 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-21 14:00 [PATCH] properly account readahead file major faults Marcelo Tosatti
2005-11-21 14:00 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-11-22  4:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2005-11-22  4:24   ` Wu Fengguang
2005-11-22  6:23   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-11-22  6:23     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-11-22 12:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2005-11-22 12:39       ` Wu Fengguang
2005-11-22 12:55     ` Hugh Dickins
2005-11-22 12:55       ` Hugh Dickins
2005-11-22  8:08       ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2005-11-22  8:08         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-11-22 16:05         ` Charles Ballowe
2005-11-22 10:54           ` Marcelo Tosatti

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