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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 04/15] Generic Mutex Subsystem, add-atomic-call-func-x86_64.patch
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:20:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051220192018.GB24199@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0512201049310.26663@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:35:22AM -0500, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> So 14 instructions total with preemption disabling, and that's with the 
> best implementation possible by open coding everything instead of 
> relying on generic functions/macros.

I agree with your analysis Nicolas.

However, don't forget to compare this with our existing semaphore
implementation which is 9 instructions, or 8 for the SMP version.

In total, this means that mutexes will be _FAR MORE EXPENSIVE_ on ARM
than our semaphores.

Forcing architectures down the "lets make everything generic" path
does not always hack it.  It can't do by its very nature.  Generic
implementations are *always* sub-optimal and it is pretty clear
that any gain that mutexes _may_ give is completely wasted on ARM
by the overhead of having a generic framework imposed upon us.

So, to sum up, if this path is persued, mutexes will be a bloody
disaster on ARM.  We'd be far better off sticking to semaphores
and ignoring this mutex stuff.

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:  2.6 Serial core

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-20 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-19  1:35 [patch 04/15] Generic Mutex Subsystem, add-atomic-call-func-x86_64.patch Ingo Molnar
2005-12-19 17:49 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-19 20:58   ` David Woodhouse
2005-12-20  4:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-20  6:30       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20  8:12         ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-20 14:10           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 14:12             ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-20 14:35               ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 15:05                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-20 16:35                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 19:20                     ` Russell King [this message]
2005-12-20 19:32                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-20 19:37                         ` Russell King
2005-12-20 19:59                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 19:43                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 19:57                         ` Russell King
2005-12-20 20:35                         ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-20 19:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 18:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-20 19:34                   ` Russell King
2005-12-20 20:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-20 21:18                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 22:04                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-20 22:19                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-20 22:43                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21  6:00                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-21  2:12                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-20 19:49                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-20 18:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-21  6:20               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-21  4:16         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-21  6:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-20  4:29   ` Ingo Molnar

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