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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	clameter@engr.sgi.com, akpm@osdl.org, dgc@sgi.com,
	steiner@sgi.com, Simon.Derr@bull.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:30:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060207123001.GA634@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200602071314.34879.ak@suse.de>


* Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:

> I still don't really think it will make much difference if the file 
> cache is local or global. Compare to disk IO it is still infinitely 
> faster, so a relatively small slowdown from going off node is not that 
> big an issue.

well, maybe the SGI folks can give us some numbers?

> > another thing: on NUMA, are the pagecache portions of readonly files 
> > (such as /usr binaries, etc.) duplicated across nodes in current 
> > kernels, or is it still random which node gets it? 
> 
> Random.
> 
> > This too could be an  
> > EA caching attribute: whether to create per-node caches for file 
> > content.
> 
> There were (ugly) patches floating around for text duplication, but 
> iirc the benchmarkers were still trying to figure out if it's even a 
> good idea. My guess it is not because CPUs tend to have very 
> aggressive prefetching for code streams which can deal with latency 
> well.

you are a bit biased towards low-latency NUMA setups i guess (read: 
Opterons) :-) Obviously with a low NUMA factor, we dont have to deal 
with memory access assymetries all that much.

But i think we should expand our file caching architecture into those 
caching details nevertheless: it's directly applicable to software 
driven clusters as well. There pagecache replication on nodes is a must, 
and obviously there it makes a big difference whether files are cached 
locally or remotely.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-07 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-04  7:19 [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation Paul Jackson
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 2/5] cpuset memory spread page cache implementation and hooks Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:49   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  1:42     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-05  1:54       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-05  5:06           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  6:08             ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-05  6:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  6:28                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  0:20                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  5:51                 ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:14                   ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06  7:42                     ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06  7:51                       ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-02-06 17:32                         ` Pekka Enberg
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 3/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache implementation Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:49   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 4/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache optimizations Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:50   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:18     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-04 23:50   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  4:10     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-04  7:19 ` [PATCH 5/5] cpuset memory spread slab cache hooks Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  4:37   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-04 23:49 ` [PATCH 1/5] cpuset memory spread basic implementation Andrew Morton
2006-02-05  3:35   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06  4:33   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  5:50     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  6:02       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  6:17         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  7:22           ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:19               ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:22                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:40                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:03                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:09                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:27                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:22                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:47                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:51                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  9:09                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 10:09                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 10:11                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 10:16                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 10:23                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 10:35                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 14:42                           ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 14:35                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 16:48                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 17:11                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 18:21                               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 18:36                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 18:43                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 18:48                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-06 19:19                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 20:27                                       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 18:43                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:01                                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06 20:05                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:27                                         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 20:41                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 20:49                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 21:07                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 22:10                                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-06 23:29                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06 23:45                                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-07  0:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07  1:17                                             ` David Chinner
2006-02-07  9:31                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 11:53                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 12:14                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 12:30                                                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-02-07 12:43                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 12:58                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 13:14                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 14:11                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-07 14:23                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:11                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:29                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:39                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:10                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:28                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:42                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:51                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-07 17:06                                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-02-07 17:26                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-04 23:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-04 23:57   ` David S. Miller
2006-02-06  4:37 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  6:02   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  6:56   ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  7:08     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  7:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-06  8:22         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  8:35         ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:32       ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-06  9:57         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-06  9:18 ` Simon Derr

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