From: Erik Mouw <erik@harddisk-recovery.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Jason Schoonover <jasons@pioneer-pra.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: High load average on disk I/O on 2.6.17-rc3
Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:22:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060508152255.GF1875@harddisk-recovery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1147100149.2888.37.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 04:55:48PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 07:24 -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> > > It's pretty harmless though. The "load average" thing just means that the
> > > extra pdflush threads are twiddling thumbs waiting on some disk I/O -
> > > they'll later exit and clean themselves up. They won't be consuming
> > > significant resources.
> >
> > If they're waiting on disk I/O, they shouldn't be runnable, and thus
> > should not be counted as part of the load average, surely?
>
> yes they are, since at least a decade. "load average" != "cpu
> utilisation" by any means. It's "tasks waiting for a hardware resource
> to become available". CPU is one such resource (runnable) but disk is
> another. There are more ...
... except that any kernel < 2.6 didn't account tasks waiting for disk
IO. Load average has always been somewhat related to tasks contending
for CPU power. It's easy to say "shrug, it changed, live with it", but
at least give applications that want to be nice to the system a way to
figure out the real cpu load.
Erik
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-08 15:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-05 17:10 High load average on disk I/O on 2.6.17-rc3 Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 23:03 ` bert hubert
2006-05-07 1:02 ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-07 10:54 ` bert hubert
2006-05-07 16:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-07 17:24 ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-08 11:13 ` Erik Mouw
2006-05-08 11:22 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 11:28 ` Russell King
2006-05-08 11:38 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-08 12:37 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-09 14:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-05-08 14:24 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 14:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 15:22 ` Erik Mouw [this message]
2006-05-08 15:25 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 15:31 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 15:42 ` Erik Mouw
2006-05-08 16:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-05-08 16:02 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2006-05-08 16:47 ` Russell King
2006-05-08 17:04 ` Gabor Gombas
2006-05-08 17:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-09 1:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09 2:02 ` Martin Bligh
2006-05-09 2:16 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09 4:36 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-09 4:46 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-09 5:27 ` Hua Zhong
2006-05-09 5:03 ` David Lang
2006-05-15 7:46 ` Sander
2006-05-08 22:24 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-05-08 22:39 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-09 0:08 ` Peter Williams
2006-05-09 18:33 ` Bill Davidsen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-05 17:58 Jason Schoonover
[not found] <69c8K-3Bu-57@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-05-05 23:12 ` Robert Hancock
2006-05-06 4:39 ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 17:20 ` Robert Hancock
2006-05-06 18:23 ` Jason Schoonover
2006-05-06 20:01 ` Robert Hancock
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