netstat with rose support?

netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

I see netstat with netrom support, and I think I have seen something where it
may have had some form of support for ROSE, does anyone know if there
is a version out there that does have support for the protocol?
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Re: netstat with rose support?

[Ralf Baechle]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 11:14:00PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:

> I see netstat with netrom support, and I think I have seen something where 
> it
> may have had some form of support for ROSE, does anyone know if there
> is a version out there that does have support for the protocol?

All protocol and hardware support in net-tools is configurable and
unfortunately the default configuration has shipped enables AX.25 and
NETROM and disables ROSE.

It seems all Linux distributions just stick to the default configuration
so I cc my reply to the net-tools maintainer with the request to enable
ROSE in the net-tools default configuration.

  Ralf

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/12/06, Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 11:14:00PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > I see netstat with netrom support, and I think I have seen something where
> > it
> > may have had some form of support for ROSE, does anyone know if there
> > is a version out there that does have support for the protocol?
>
> All protocol and hardware support in net-tools is configurable and
> unfortunately the default configuration has shipped enables AX.25 and
> NETROM and disables ROSE.
>
> It seems all Linux distributions just stick to the default configuration
> so I cc my reply to the net-tools maintainer with the request to enable
> ROSE in the net-tools default configuration.
>
Ralf,
Thank you for this information, does this mean that if I re-compile
the net-tools
all I need to do is enable ROSE? If so I guess I will have to try to do it,
unless of course there is a binary which I can download somewhere.


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"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
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and twisted metal."

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Ralf Baechle]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:08:39AM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:

> >All protocol and hardware support in net-tools is configurable and
> >unfortunately the default configuration has shipped enables AX.25 and
> >NETROM and disables ROSE.
> >
> >It seems all Linux distributions just stick to the default configuration
> >so I cc my reply to the net-tools maintainer with the request to enable
> >ROSE in the net-tools default configuration.

> Thank you for this information, does this mean that if I re-compile
> the net-tools
> all I need to do is enable ROSE? If so I guess I will have to try to do it,
> unless of course there is a binary which I can download somewhere.

Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.

  Ralf

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/13/06, Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:08:39AM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > >All protocol and hardware support in net-tools is configurable and
> > >unfortunately the default configuration has shipped enables AX.25 and
> > >NETROM and disables ROSE.
> > >
> > >It seems all Linux distributions just stick to the default configuration
> > >so I cc my reply to the net-tools maintainer with the request to enable
> > >ROSE in the net-tools default configuration.
>
> > Thank you for this information, does this mean that if I re-compile
> > the net-tools
> > all I need to do is enable ROSE? If so I guess I will have to try to do it,
> > unless of course there is a binary which I can download somewhere.
>
> Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.
>

OK, will try it and see how I come out.



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Re: netstat with rose support?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:20:41PM +0100, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > Thank you for this information, does this mean that if I re-compile
> > the net-tools
> > all I need to do is enable ROSE? If so I guess I will have to try to do it,
> > unless of course there is a binary which I can download somewhere.
> 
> Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.

I think the reason why rose is not enabled by default is because there are
some header files (kernel, libc, other package - cant remeber) which are not
available on all distributions.

This used to be also the case for AX25, but that changed with recent libcs.

Running configure is enough to enable ROSE support. If your system misses
some headers in that case, let me know so i can document this.

Gruss
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Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/13/06, Bernd Eckenfels <be-mail2006@lina.inka.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:20:41PM +0100, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > > Thank you for this information, does this mean that if I re-compile
> > > the net-tools
> > > all I need to do is enable ROSE? If so I guess I will have to try to do it,
> > > unless of course there is a binary which I can download somewhere.
> >
> > Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.
>
> I think the reason why rose is not enabled by default is because there are
> some header files (kernel, libc, other package - cant remeber) which are not
> available on all distributions.
>
> This used to be also the case for AX25, but that changed with recent libcs.
>
> Running configure is enough to enable ROSE support. If your system misses
> some headers in that case, let me know so i can document this.
>

Thank you, I shall try my hand at it (hide and fear for ye know not what I
will cook up on this one as I have not done this too much) and see what
happens.


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To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Ralf Baechle]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:

> > Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.
> 
> I think the reason why rose is not enabled by default is because there are
> some header files (kernel, libc, other package - cant remeber) which are not
> available on all distributions.
> 
> This used to be also the case for AX25, but that changed with recent libcs.
>
> Running configure is enough to enable ROSE support. If your system misses
> some headers in that case, let me know so i can document this.

Glibc 2.1 which is over 7 years old will suffice which is why I proposed
the change at all.

Asking users to rebuild their software without an urgent need is just
raising the user pain level for distributions which go with the provided
defaults so I figured it's going to be the most productive approach to
convince you to change the defaults.

Patch below,

  Ralf

diff -ur net-tools-1.60.orig/config.in net-tools-1.60/config.in
--- net-tools-1.60.orig/config.in	Sun May 21 16:32:12 2000
+++ net-tools-1.60/config.in	Thu Jul 13 15:17:30 2006
@@ -54,7 +54,7 @@
 bool 'Appletalk DDP protocol family' HAVE_AFATALK y
 bool 'AX25 (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFAX25 y
 bool 'NET/ROM (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFNETROM y
-bool 'Rose (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFROSE n
+bool 'Rose (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFROSE y
 bool 'X.25 (CCITT) protocol family' HAVE_AFX25 y
 bool 'Econet protocol family' HAVE_AFECONET n
 bool 'DECnet protocol family' HAVE_AFDECnet n
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
 bool 'STRIP (Metricom radio) support' HAVE_HWSTRIP y
 bool 'Token ring (generic) support' HAVE_HWTR y
 bool 'AX25 (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWAX25 y
-bool 'Rose (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWROSE n
+bool 'Rose (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWROSE y
 bool 'NET/ROM (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWNETROM y
 bool 'X.25 (generic) support' HAVE_HWX25 y
 bool 'DLCI/FRAD (frame relay) support' HAVE_HWFR y

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/13/06, Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 02:28:24PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
>
> > > Yes, you just need to recompile net-tools.
> >
> > I think the reason why rose is not enabled by default is because there are
> > some header files (kernel, libc, other package - cant remeber) which are not
> > available on all distributions.
> >
> > This used to be also the case for AX25, but that changed with recent libcs.
> >
> > Running configure is enough to enable ROSE support. If your system misses
> > some headers in that case, let me know so i can document this.
>
> Glibc 2.1 which is over 7 years old will suffice which is why I proposed
> the change at all.
>
> Asking users to rebuild their software without an urgent need is just
> raising the user pain level for distributions which go with the provided
> defaults so I figured it's going to be the most productive approach to
> convince you to change the defaults.
>
> Patch below,
>
>   Ralf
>
> diff -ur net-tools-1.60.orig/config.in net-tools-1.60/config.in
> --- net-tools-1.60.orig/config.in       Sun May 21 16:32:12 2000
> +++ net-tools-1.60/config.in    Thu Jul 13 15:17:30 2006
> @@ -54,7 +54,7 @@
>  bool 'Appletalk DDP protocol family' HAVE_AFATALK y
>  bool 'AX25 (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFAX25 y
>  bool 'NET/ROM (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFNETROM y
> -bool 'Rose (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFROSE n
> +bool 'Rose (packet radio) protocol family' HAVE_AFROSE y
>  bool 'X.25 (CCITT) protocol family' HAVE_AFX25 y
>  bool 'Econet protocol family' HAVE_AFECONET n
>  bool 'DECnet protocol family' HAVE_AFDECnet n
> @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@
>  bool 'STRIP (Metricom radio) support' HAVE_HWSTRIP y
>  bool 'Token ring (generic) support' HAVE_HWTR y
>  bool 'AX25 (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWAX25 y
> -bool 'Rose (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWROSE n
> +bool 'Rose (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWROSE y
>  bool 'NET/ROM (packet radio) support' HAVE_HWNETROM y
>  bool 'X.25 (generic) support' HAVE_HWX25 y
>  bool 'DLCI/FRAD (frame relay) support' HAVE_HWFR y
>

I did the re-compile and see that the new netstat file in in there but I do not
see any info on the ROSE piece that is running on the target machine.

Indeed I see no indication that anything was changed except that the date
on the binaries is now that of today. Was there some other things that needed
to be updated also?



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To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:23:47PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
> Indeed I see no indication that anything was changed except that the date
> on the binaries is now that of today. Was there some other things that 
> needed
> to be updated also?

# netstat -V
net-tools 1.60
netstat 1.42 (2001-04-15)
Fred Baumgarten, Alan Cox, Bernd Eckenfels, Phil Blundell, Tuan Hoang and others
+NEW_ADDRT +RTF_IRTT +RTF_REJECT +FW_MASQUERADE +I18N
AF: (inet) +UNIX +INET +INET6 +IPX +AX25 +NETROM +X25 +ATALK +ECONET +ROSE 
HW:  +ETHER +ARC +SLIP +PPP +TUNNEL +TR +AX25 +NETROM +X25 +FR +ROSE +ASH +SIT +FDDI +HIPPI +HDLC/LAPB +EUI64 

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Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/13/06, Bernd Eckenfels <be-mail2006@lina.inka.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 07:23:47PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Indeed I see no indication that anything was changed except that the date
> > on the binaries is now that of today. Was there some other things that
> > needed
> > to be updated also?
>
> # netstat -V
> net-tools 1.60
> netstat 1.42 (2001-04-15)
> Fred Baumgarten, Alan Cox, Bernd Eckenfels, Phil Blundell, Tuan Hoang and others
> +NEW_ADDRT +RTF_IRTT +RTF_REJECT +FW_MASQUERADE +I18N
> AF: (inet) +UNIX +INET +INET6 +IPX +AX25 +NETROM +X25 +ATALK +ECONET +ROSE
> HW:  +ETHER +ARC +SLIP +PPP +TUNNEL +TR +AX25 +NETROM +X25 +FR +ROSE +ASH +SIT +FDDI +HIPPI +HDLC/LAPB +EUI64
>

Bernd:
Yes I see that too on mine but when I do a netstat --rose I get the short help
page (i.e. that was wrong try again) but if I do say a netstat --netrom I get:

root@fpac-dev:/usr/src/net-tools# netstat --netrom
Active NET/ROM sockets
User       Dest       Source     Device  State        Vr/Vs    Send-Q  Recv-Q
*          *          KP4DJT-14  nr0     LISTENING    000/000  0       0

I looked at the netstat.c file and I can see where all of the other protocols
call out data from different parts of the system such as the /proc/net areas
but none of that is visible for ROSE, it is as though it never existed, but I
see references to it in the past on the 'net, so at one time it was in there.

It would appear that it was removed.

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and twisted metal."

Re: netstat with rose support?

[Bernd Eckenfels]

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 11:32:17PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
> Yes I see that too on mine but when I do a netstat --rose I get the short 
> help
> page (i.e. that was wrong try again) but if I do say a netstat --netrom I 
> get:

I think AF ROSE protocol support was never finished. It works for ifconfig,
but not more.

Gruss
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Re: netstat with rose support?

[Chuck Hast]

On 7/14/06, Bernd Eckenfels <be-mail2006@lina.inka.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 11:32:17PM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
> > Yes I see that too on mine but when I do a netstat --rose I get the short
> > help
> > page (i.e. that was wrong try again) but if I do say a netstat --netrom I
> > get:
>
> I think AF ROSE protocol support was never finished. It works for ifconfig,
> but not more.
>

I found this last night while digging through history:

http://he.fi/archive/linux-hams/199703/0201.html

It looks like there was support at one time, it either did not get
left in there or
was never really put in.

I am not sure where to try to put this in or I would try to do it, this is a bit
above me.


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