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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	ltt-dev@shafik.org, Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 22:00:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060914200040.GB5812@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4509B03A.3070504@am.sony.com>


* Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com> wrote:

> > that's not true, and this is the important thing that i believe you 
> > are missing. A dynamic tracepoint is _detached_ from the normal 
> > source code and thus is zero maintainance overhead. You dont have to 
> > maintain it during normal development - only if you need it. You 
> > dont see the dynamic tracepoints in the source code.
> 
> It's only zero maintenance overhead for you.  Someone has to maintain 
> it. The party line for years has been that in-tree maintenance is 
> easier than out-of-tree maintenance.

There's a third option, and that's the one i'm advocating: adding the 
tracepoint rules to the kernel, but in a _detached_ form from the actual 
source code.

yes, someone has to maintain it, but that will be a detached effort, on 
a low-frequency as-needed basis. It doesnt slow down or hinder 
high-frequency fast prototyping work, it does not impact the source code 
visually, and it does not make reading the code harder. Furthermore, 
while a single broken LTT tracepoint prevents the kernel from building 
at all, a single broken dynamic rule just wont be inserted into the 
kernel. All the other rules are still very much intact.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-14 20:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 284+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-14  3:38 [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 13:40   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 13:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 14:33       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 15:26         ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-14 17:48           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 15:04             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 18:08           ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-14 18:38             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 17:13         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 17:55           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 18:15             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 18:35               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 18:54               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15  9:20                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 12:38                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 12:32                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:09                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:30                         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 15:12                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 10:41                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 15:28                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  8:57                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:48                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 15:37                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 13:20                     ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 13:41                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:44                         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:03                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 14:37                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:34                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:57                         ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 14:17                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:13                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:31                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:28                                 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 14:46                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 15:22                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 15:47                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 14:51                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 15:00                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 15:28                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 18:16                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:19                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:26                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 19:43                                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 20:05                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:22                                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 21:08                                                 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:25                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 22:02                                                     ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 22:03                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:32                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:43                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 23:33                                                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:52                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  2:24                                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:53                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  2:51                                                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:59                                                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 23:40                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:17                                                     ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:32                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:58                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 22:19                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:45                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16  9:59                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 17:24                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 17:35                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 17:56                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 19:10                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:37                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 20:29                                                             ` [patch] kprobes: optimize branch placement Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 20:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 21:44                                                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 22:57                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-16 23:24                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17  2:44                                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17  1:59                                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 12:15                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-09-16 22:56                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-16 23:30                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 13:52                                                                     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2006-09-16 22:55                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-17 10:13                                                             ` [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-17 14:00                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:51                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 23:40                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17  5:33                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 18:11                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 17:44                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 18:15                                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  8:18                                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 17:55                                                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  8:21                                                       ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18  8:33                                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 15:01                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 17:30                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  8:15                                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:53                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:17                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:54                                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 21:12                                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:08                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:13                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 21:49                                             ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-16 10:19                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 16:05                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17  4:54                                                 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2006-09-18  8:13                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:46                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 17:06                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-20 14:17                                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 19:35                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 19:40                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:56                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:23                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 20:40                                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 20:48                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:17                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:15                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:56                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:27                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:51                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:15                                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:53                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 23:14                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 23:49                                                           ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-15 23:57                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  0:41                                                               ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-16  0:31                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-16  8:20                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:21                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:22                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:58                                                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-16 22:50                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 23:00                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17  1:15                                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17  8:42                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:16                                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 15:25                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 16:02                                                                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 16:45                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 16:59                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-17 17:26                                                                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 17:56                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-17 18:59                                                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 21:23                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:52                                                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:27                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:40                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  8:43                                                                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-17 21:32                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 19:23                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 19:45                                                                                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 20:56                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:36                                                                                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:13                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 23:14                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 14:19                                                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-17 15:31                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 17:15                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                                                                   ` <y0mu036eglz.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com>
2006-09-17 15:00                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:23                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:23                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16  8:23                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:05                                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:17                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 21:31                                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:00                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:27                                           ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 20:37                                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 20:26                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:51                                           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 17:53                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-17 19:35                                           ` printk instrumentation with LTTng Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 15:24                                     ` [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Alan Cox
2006-09-15 15:23                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:39                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 15:04                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 19:40               ` Tim Bird
2006-09-14 20:00                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-09-14 20:46                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 12:05                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-14 21:02                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 11:40                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 11:46                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 12:38                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 12:39                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:41                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 13:34                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 14:41                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:35                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:57                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 17:49                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:20                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 17:01                                   ` Tim Bird
2006-09-15 17:08                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 17:57                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:31                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 18:12                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:10                                         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 19:10                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:05                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 20:35                                             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:44                                             ` Tim Bird
2006-09-19 12:29                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-19 13:17                                             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 18:24                                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 18:23                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 18:18                                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-15 18:10                           ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 19:49                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:54                               ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:42                                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:46                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 15:05                                   ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 15:30                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 16:39                                       ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 18:03                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 17:45                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:16                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 19:20                           ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 19:59                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 20:24                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:25                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-14 19:47               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 20:24                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:54                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 21:08                     ` Daniel Walker
2006-09-14 21:30                       ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 22:15                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 23:39                           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 23:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15  0:27                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15  1:47                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15  5:47                     ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-14 18:12           ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 20:25           ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 20:34             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:55               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 21:31                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:25                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 22:36                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:59                       ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 23:19                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15  0:19                           ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-15  1:04                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 12:38                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15  7:00                         ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-15 15:37                       ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-19 12:08                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-14 21:07               ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15  9:29               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-14 17:51         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 15:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 19:39         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 17:13         ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-14 15:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 15:14   ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-14 17:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 18:25       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 20:03       ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 20:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:40           ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 21:05           ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-14 22:23             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:46               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 22:56                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 19:03     ` grundig
2006-09-14 19:21       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 19:48     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 16:32       ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 11:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-15  3:10 James Dickens
2006-09-15  9:17 Richard J Moore
2006-09-15 17:14 Chuck Ebbert
2006-09-15 18:32 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-16 10:46 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-25 15:20 Chuck Ebbert
2006-09-25 15:39 ` Ingo Molnar

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