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From: "S. P. Prasanna" <prasanna@in.ibm.com>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	Richard J Moore <richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com>,
	Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	William Cohen <wcohen@redhat.com>,
	ltt-dev@shafik.org, systemtap@sources.redhat.com,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Linux Kernel Markers
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:35:16 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060919070516.GD23836@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45102641.7000101@google.com>

On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 10:17:53AM -0700, Martin Bligh wrote:
> >>>>It seems like all we'd need to do
> >>>>is "list all references to function, freeze kernel, update all
> >>>>references, continue"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"overwrite first 5 bytes of old function with `jmp new_function'".
> >>
> >>Yes, that's simple. but slower, as you have a double jump. Probably
> >>a damned sight faster than int3 though.
> >
> >
> >The advantage of using int3 over jmp to launch the instrumented
> >module is that int3 (or breakpoint in most architectures) is an
> >atomic operation to insert.
> 
> Ah, good point. Though ... how much do we care what the speed of
> insertion/removal actually is? If we can tolerate it being slow,
> then just sync everyone up in an IPI to freeze them out whilst
> doing the insert.
> 
I guess using IPI occasionally would be acceptable. But I think
using IPI for each probes will lots of overhead.

> 
> Surely this still carries the overhead of doing the breakpoint,
> which was part of what we were trying to get away from? I suppose
> we get more flexibility this way. Or does the slowness not actually
> come from the int3, but only the single-stepping?
Yes, it comes from int3 as well.
> 
> How about we combine all three ideas together ...
> 
> 1. Load modified copy of the function in question.
> 2. overwrite the first instruction of the routine with an int3 that
> does what you say (atomically)
> 3. Then overwrite the second instruction with a jump that's faster
> 4. Now atomically overwrite the int3 with a nop, and let the jump
> take over.
> 

That's a good solution.

Thanks
Prasanna

> >Adv:
> >Can be enabled/disabled dynamically by inserting/removing
> >breakpoints.  No overhead of single stepping.
> >No restriction of running the handler in interrupt context.
> >You can have pre-compiled instrumented routines.
> >This mechanism can be used for pre-defined set of routines and for
> >arbiratory probe points, you can use kprobes/jprobes/systemtap.
> >No need to be super-user for predefined breakpoints.
> >                                                                                                                                               
> >Dis:
> >Maintainence of the code, since it can code base need to be
> >duplicated and instrumented.
> 
> CONFIG_FOO_BAR .... turn it on or off to turn on the instrumentation.
> compiled out by default. Compiled in when making the tracing functions.
> 
> >The above idea is similar to runtime or dynamic patching, but here we
> >use int3(breakpoint) rather than jump instruction.
> 
> Depends what we're trying to fix. I was trying to fix two things:
> 
> 1. Flexibility - kprobes seem unable to access all local variables etc
> easily, and go anywhere inside the function. Plus keeping low overhead
> for doing things like keeping counters in a function (see previous
> example I mentioned for counting pages in shrink_list).
> 
> 2. Overhead of the int3, which was allegedly 1000 cycles or so, though
> faster after Ingo had played with it, it's still significant.
> 
> M.

-- 
Prasanna S.P.
Linux Technology Center
India Software Labs, IBM Bangalore
Email: prasanna@in.ibm.com
Ph: 91-80-41776329

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-19 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-18 23:45 [PATCH] Linux Kernel Markers Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19  0:41 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-19  1:10 ` Dave Jones
2006-09-19  8:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-19  8:13   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-19 15:11   ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-19 15:31     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-20 11:19       ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-19 15:46     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-19 16:04       ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 16:39         ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-19 16:41           ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19  6:38             ` S. P. Prasanna
2006-09-19 17:17               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19  7:05                 ` S. P. Prasanna [this message]
2006-09-19 18:02                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 21:04                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 13:27                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2006-09-20 17:21                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 17:15                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-20 17:35                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 18:08                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-20 18:22                             ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-20 18:50                               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 19:22                                 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-20 19:43                                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 19:40                                     ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-20 19:58                                       ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 18:25                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 17:41                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 17:54                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 18:01                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 18:11                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-20  0:08                   ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20  0:52                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-20 10:44                       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 23:00                         ` Richard J Moore
2006-09-23 15:34                           ` score-boarding [was Re: [PATCH] Linux Kernel Markers] Hugh Dickins
2006-09-26  8:43                             ` Richard J Moore
2006-09-20  1:08                     ` [PATCH] Linux Kernel Markers S. P. Prasanna
2006-09-20  8:18                       ` Richard J Moore
2006-09-20 10:32                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 11:50                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-20 13:45                           ` Richard J Moore
2006-09-22 12:33                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-20  1:09                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 19:13                 ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-19 19:16                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 19:24                     ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 22:27                     ` Satoshi Oshima
2006-09-19 19:26                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19  9:30                     ` S. P. Prasanna
2006-09-19 20:12                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-20 11:00                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2006-09-20  9:39               ` Helge Hafting
2006-09-20 10:30                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 13:23                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2006-09-19 16:36             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-19 16:41         ` Richard J Moore
2006-09-19 16:49         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-19 16:52           ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 17:02             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-19 16:06     ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-19 16:14       ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 17:43       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 16:23     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 16:17       ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-19 16:29         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 16:55         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 17:41     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-20 17:33     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 15:21 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-20 13:20 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2006-09-20 13:32   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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