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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>,
	David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	USB development list <linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] error to be returned while suspended
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 21:36:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061008193648.GA4042@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0610072153510.15825-100000@netrider.rowland.org>

Hi!

> > That is, the standard model is useless?  I think you've made
> > a few strange leaps of logic there ... care to fill in those
> > gaps and explain just _why_ that standard model is "useless"???
> > 
> > Recall by the way that the autosuspend stuff kicked off with
> > discussions about exactly how to make sure that Linux could
> > get the power savings inherent in suspending USB root hubs,
> > with remote wakeup enabling use of the mouse on that keyboard.
> > (I remember Len Brown talking to me a few years back about how
> > that was the "last" 2W per controller easily available to save
> > power on Centrino laptops ... now we're almost ready to claim
> > that savings.)
> 
> The most obvious model for suspending keyboards or mice is an inactivity 
> timeout (with the timeout limit set from userspace), but other policies 
> certainly could be useful in specific circumstances.
> 
> Considering that we have virtually no autosuspend capability now, taking
> the first few simple steps will be a big help.  Just getting an
> infrastructure in place is a good start, even without a userspace API.  
> Later on, when we have a better idea of what we want, bells and whistles
> can be added.

<AOL>Mee too</AOL>

Please, lets do few "autosuspend" things, and when we know how it
looks, we can think about doing something more advanced.

								Pavel 

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-08 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-03 11:23 error to be returned while suspended Oliver Neukum
2006-10-03 12:51 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-10-03 13:02   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-03 14:17     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-10-04 11:19 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-04 16:34   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-04 22:44     ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-05  7:07       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-05  8:57         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-05 16:21         ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2006-10-05 16:35           ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-05 18:24             ` Alan Stern
2006-10-05 18:43               ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-05 20:48                 ` Alan Stern
2006-10-05 21:25                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-05 21:45                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-06  7:21                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-06 17:48                         ` Alan Stern
2006-10-06 11:25                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-06  2:47                     ` David Brownell
2006-10-06  7:04                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-06 11:27                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-06 14:09                           ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-06 21:10                         ` David Brownell
2006-10-07 10:49                           ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-07 11:08                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-07 17:16                               ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08  0:03                                 ` David Brownell
2006-10-08  2:03                                   ` Alan Stern
2006-10-08  7:07                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08 14:27                                       ` Alan Stern
2006-10-08 19:36                                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2006-10-08 19:57                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08 21:06                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-08  6:40                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-09 15:56                                     ` David Brownell
2006-10-08  6:51                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08  7:14                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08 13:24                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08 14:32                                     ` Alan Stern
2006-10-08 19:41                                     ` /sys/.../power/state " Pavel Machek
2006-10-08 19:19                                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                   ` <200610080838.03488.oliver@neukum.org>
     [not found]                     ` <200610080020.49158.david-b@pacbell.net>
2006-10-08  8:39                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-10-08 14:16                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-10-06 11:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-06 11:21             ` Pavel Machek

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