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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: vatsa@in.ibm.com
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Gautham shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] flush_cpu_workqueue: don't flush an empty ->worklist
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 21:26:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108212656.ca77a3ba.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070109050417.GC589@in.ibm.com>

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:34:17 +0530
Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 03:54:28PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Furthermore I don't know which of these need to be tossed overboard if/when
> > we get around to using the task freezer for CPU hotplug synchronisation.
> > Hopefully, a lot of them.  I don't really understand why we're continuing
> > to struggle with the existing approach before that question is settled.
> 
> Good point!
> 
> Fundamentally, I think we need to answer this question:
> 
> "Do we provide *some* mechanism to block concurrent hotplug operations
> from happening? By hotplug operations I mean both changes to the bitmap
> and execution of all baclbacks in CPU_DEAD/ONLINE etc"
> 
> If NO, then IMHO we will be forever fixing races
> 
> If YES, then what is that mechanism? freeze_processes()? or a magical
> lock?
> 
> freeze_processes() cant be that mechanism, if my understanding of it is
> correct - see http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/8/149

That's not correct.  freeze_processes() will freeze *all* processes.  All
of them are forced to enter refrigerator().  With the mysterious exception
of some I/O-related kernel threads, which might need some thought.

> and 
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=116817460726058.

Am not sure how that's related.

> I would be happy to be corrected if the above impression of
> freeze_processes() is corrected ..

It could be that the freezer needs a bit of work for this application. 
Obviously we're not interested in the handling of disk I/O, so we'd really
like to do a simple
try_to_freeze_tasks(FREEZER_USER_SPACE|FREEZER_KERNEL_THREADS), but the
code isn't set up to do that (it should be).  The other non-swsusp callers
probably want this change as well.  But that's all a minor matter.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-09  5:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-17 22:34 [PATCH, RFC] reimplement flush_workqueue() Oleg Nesterov
2006-12-18  3:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-19  0:27 ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-19  0:43   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-12-19  1:00     ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-04 11:32     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 14:29       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 15:56         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 16:31           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 16:57             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 17:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-04 18:09           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-04 18:31             ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-05  9:03               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05 14:07                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:24                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05  8:56           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-05 12:42             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:11               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 15:10           ` [PATCH] fix-flush_workqueue-vs-cpu_dead-race-update Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 15:45             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 16:30               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 16:38                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-06 17:34                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 10:43                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 12:56                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 14:22                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 14:42                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 16:43                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:01                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:33                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 17:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-07 16:21                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 17:09                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-06 19:11                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-06 19:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-07 11:00                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 19:59                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-07 21:01                         ` [PATCH] flush_cpu_workqueue: don't flush an empty ->worklist Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 23:54                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09  5:04                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  5:26                               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-01-09  6:56                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-09  9:33                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  9:44                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-01-09  9:51                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09 10:09                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 10:15                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09 15:07                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-09 15:59                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 16:38                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-09 16:46                                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 16:56                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-14 23:54                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15  4:33                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-15 12:54                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15 13:08                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-15 16:18                                                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-15 16:55                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-16  5:26                                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-16 13:27                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17  6:17                                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-17 15:47                                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17 16:12                                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-17 17:01                                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-17 16:25                                                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-07 21:51                         ` [PATCH] fix-flush_workqueue-vs-cpu_dead-race-update Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 15:22                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-08 15:56                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 16:31                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-08 17:06                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 18:37                                   ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2007-01-09  1:11                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09  4:39                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-09 14:38                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-01-08 15:37                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 12:02 ` [PATCH, RFC] reimplement flush_workqueue() Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-01-04 14:38   ` Oleg Nesterov

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