RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL 
stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 
config. We all know that libsdl-qpe is set of hacks applied to hacks 
which evolved from other hacks and thats that all is in state which no 
one want to have something to do. No one ever sent parts of it upstream, 
no one tried to update it to more recent SDL version etc.

I would like to have one small change in OE: removal of virtual/libsdl at 
all or some kind of other change which would mark libsdl-qpe as not 
providing virtual/libsdl at all. 

Most of SDL stuff in OE builds without problem with libsdl-x11 and most of 
them even works when user with libsdl-qpe tries to use it. But if someone 
tries to build SDL apps with libsdl-qpe then he is hit with linking 
problems, with '-no-rtti/-rtti' problem etc. I'm tired of it.

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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Paul Sokolovsky]

Hello Marcin,

Monday, January 8, 2007, 11:27:08 PM, you wrote:

> I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL
> stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 
> config. We all know that libsdl-qpe is set of hacks applied to hacks 
> which evolved from other hacks and thats that all is in state which no
> one want to have something to do. No one ever sent parts of it upstream,
> no one tried to update it to more recent SDL version etc.

> I would like to have one small change in OE: removal of virtual/libsdl at
> all or some kind of other change which would mark libsdl-qpe as not 
> providing virtual/libsdl at all. 

> Most of SDL stuff in OE builds without problem with libsdl-x11 and most of
> them even works when user with libsdl-qpe tries to use it. But if someone
> tries to build SDL apps with libsdl-qpe then he is hit with linking 
> problems, with '-no-rtti/-rtti' problem etc. I'm tired of it.


  Well, that was one of questions I had in mind: why there're separate
builds of SDL apps for GPE and OPIE - it would be kinda natural to expect
SDL ABI to be the same on both.

  But of course it would be nice if this RFC would let for some time
to do such testing.


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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Koen Kooi]

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Marcin Juszkiewicz schreef:
> I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL 
> stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 
> config. We all know that libsdl-qpe is set of hacks applied to hacks 
> which evolved from other hacks and thats that all is in state which no 
> one want to have something to do. No one ever sent parts of it upstream, 
> no one tried to update it to more recent SDL version etc.
> 
> I would like to have one small change in OE: removal of virtual/libsdl at 
> all or some kind of other change which would mark libsdl-qpe as not 
> providing virtual/libsdl at all. 
> 
> Most of SDL stuff in OE builds without problem with libsdl-x11 and most of 
> them even works when user with libsdl-qpe tries to use it. But if someone 
> tries to build SDL apps with libsdl-qpe then he is hit with linking 
> problems, with '-no-rtti/-rtti' problem etc. I'm tired of it.

move libsql-qpe to packages/obsolete/libsdl/, that way people that want it can still build
it and innocent bystanders don't get hit by the issues you mentioned.

regards,

Koen
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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Paul Sokolovsky]

Hello Koen,


> Marcin Juszkiewicz schreef:
>> I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL 
>> stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 

[]

> move libsql-qpe to packages/obsolete/libsdl/, that way people that want it can still build
> it and innocent bystanders don't get hit by the issues you mentioned.

  Isn't that too much of action for the original problem of people
selecting it to build SDL apps and having problems due to this?
There's nothing wrong with libsdl-qpe per se (patching matter is
highly subjective), it's just the SDL implementation for OPIE/QTopia.

  So if it's considered harmful to build against it, let's kill any
virtual/libsdl source-package overrides using it. But both libsdl-x11
and libsdl-qpe should RPROVIDE same virtual package to the package
manager.


> regards,

> Koen


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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Koen Kooi]

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Paul Sokolovsky schreef:
> Hello Koen,
> 
> 
>> Marcin Juszkiewicz schreef:
>>> I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL 
>>> stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 
> 
> []
> 
>> move libsql-qpe to packages/obsolete/libsdl/, that way people that want it can still build
>> it and innocent bystanders don't get hit by the issues you mentioned.
> 
>   Isn't that too much of action for the original problem of people
> selecting it to build SDL apps and having problems due to this?

People have to select libsdl-x11, otherwise -qpe gets built. Given its current
unmaintained and problematic state it'd rather drop it completely. But since we are
supposed to by nice to OE users, lets move it to obsolete instead.

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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia poniedziałek, 8 stycznia 2007 22:40, Paul Sokolovsky napisał:
>   Well, that was one of questions I had in mind: why there're separate
> builds of SDL apps for GPE and OPIE - it would be kinda natural to
> expect SDL ABI to be the same on both.

ABI is same - backends differ. libsdl-x11 is normal pure upstream version 
configured for X11 backend. libsdl-qpe is overhacked version configured 
for QT/E 2.x - and in current .dev it gives too many linking problems.

> But of course it would be nice if this RFC would let for some time
> to do such testing.

Which kind of testing you suggest? I can run build and provide results.

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Re: RFC: get rid of virtual/libsdl

[Koen Kooi]

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Marcin Juszkiewicz schreef:
> I see more and more reports where people has problems with building SDL 
> stuff just because they have 'virtual/libsdl == libsdl-qpe' in build 
> config. We all know that libsdl-qpe is set of hacks applied to hacks 
> which evolved from other hacks and thats that all is in state which no 
> one want to have something to do. No one ever sent parts of it upstream, 
> no one tried to update it to more recent SDL version etc.
> 
> I would like to have one small change in OE: removal of virtual/libsdl at 
> all or some kind of other change which would mark libsdl-qpe as not 
> providing virtual/libsdl at all. 
> 
> Most of SDL stuff in OE builds without problem with libsdl-x11 and most of 
> them even works when user with libsdl-qpe tries to use it. But if someone 
> tries to build SDL apps with libsdl-qpe then he is hit with linking 
> problems, with '-no-rtti/-rtti' problem etc. I'm tired of it.

moved to packages/obsolete till someone comes up with a support plan.

regards,

Koen

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