[KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  at the risk of throwing out a wild and crazy idea, is there any
value in transforming the current static ToDo list into wiki format,
with one wiki page per task?

  as it is, the current list:

http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors/Todo

gives lots of suggestions for things to do, but there's absolutely no
indication of whether these items are still relevant, which ones have
been completed, which ones are underway, who's working on each one and
so on.

  it would seem to make more sense to restructure the ToDo list so
that each outstanding item has its own wiki page, where janitors can
report that they're working on that item, how far along they are,
whether they have questions, ask for assistance or clarification, etc.

  as one example, even something as simple as trying to formalize that
"power of two" stuff recently generated a boatload of KJ list traffic
that could have just been discussed on a single wiki page.

  is this doable?

rday
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Re: [KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[Nishanth Aravamudan]

On 19.01.2007 [07:13:03 -0500], Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> 
>   at the risk of throwing out a wild and crazy idea, is there any
> value in transforming the current static ToDo list into wiki format,
> with one wiki page per task?
> 
>   as it is, the current list:
> 
> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors/Todo
> 
> gives lots of suggestions for things to do, but there's absolutely no
> indication of whether these items are still relevant, which ones have
> been completed, which ones are underway, who's working on each one and
> so on.
> 
> it would seem to make more sense to restructure the ToDo list so that
> each outstanding item has its own wiki page, where janitors can report
> that they're working on that item, how far along they are, whether
> they have questions, ask for assistance or clarification, etc.
> 
> as one example, even something as simple as trying to formalize that
> "power of two" stuff recently generated a boatload of KJ list traffic
> that could have just been discussed on a single wiki page.
> 
> is this doable?

I started the process of moving to the wiki'ized page, then dropped it
out of laziness (apparently). If you're interested in moving more stuff
there and separating into a mainpage with links to all the others, that
would be great.

Note, a wiki can't replace a mailing list. I'm not going to go watch a
webpage change, but I will read the posts to a mailing list :)

Thanks,
Nish

-- 
Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com>
IBM Linux Technology Center
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Re: [KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[Ira Snyder]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:05:15 -0800
Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> On 19.01.2007 [07:13:03 -0500], Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > 
> >   at the risk of throwing out a wild and crazy idea, is there any
> > value in transforming the current static ToDo list into wiki format,
> > with one wiki page per task?
> > 
> >   as it is, the current list:
> > 
> > http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors/Todo
> > 
> > gives lots of suggestions for things to do, but there's absolutely no
> > indication of whether these items are still relevant, which ones have
> > been completed, which ones are underway, who's working on each one and
> > so on.
> > 
> > it would seem to make more sense to restructure the ToDo list so that
> > each outstanding item has its own wiki page, where janitors can report
> > that they're working on that item, how far along they are, whether
> > they have questions, ask for assistance or clarification, etc.
> > 
> > as one example, even something as simple as trying to formalize that
> > "power of two" stuff recently generated a boatload of KJ list traffic
> > that could have just been discussed on a single wiki page.
> > 
> > is this doable?
> 
> I started the process of moving to the wiki'ized page, then dropped it
> out of laziness (apparently). If you're interested in moving more stuff
> there and separating into a mainpage with links to all the others, that
> would be great.
> 
> Note, a wiki can't replace a mailing list. I'm not going to go watch a
> webpage change, but I will read the posts to a mailing list :)
> 
> Thanks,
> Nish
> 

Agreed. I think that wiki-izing the TODO list is a good idea. It certainly would have helped me find things to do when I was looking, and I'm sure it would help when I start looking for things to do again.

I also agree that I won't be able to follow changes to a webpage easily. I'd much rather follow a mailing list. But having some simple status information on the wiki page would be beneficial. Just name / email address and date started would probably be enough.

Ira
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Re: [KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Ira Snyder wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:05:15 -0800
> Nishanth Aravamudan <nacc@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > On 19.01.2007 [07:13:03 -0500], Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > >
> > >   at the risk of throwing out a wild and crazy idea, is there any
> > > value in transforming the current static ToDo list into wiki format,
> > > with one wiki page per task?
> > >
> > >   as it is, the current list:
> > >
> > > http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelJanitors/Todo
> > >
> > > gives lots of suggestions for things to do, but there's absolutely no
> > > indication of whether these items are still relevant, which ones have
> > > been completed, which ones are underway, who's working on each one and
> > > so on.
> > >
> > > it would seem to make more sense to restructure the ToDo list so that
> > > each outstanding item has its own wiki page, where janitors can report
> > > that they're working on that item, how far along they are, whether
> > > they have questions, ask for assistance or clarification, etc.
> > >
> > > as one example, even something as simple as trying to formalize that
> > > "power of two" stuff recently generated a boatload of KJ list traffic
> > > that could have just been discussed on a single wiki page.
> > >
> > > is this doable?
> >
> > I started the process of moving to the wiki'ized page, then dropped it
> > out of laziness (apparently). If you're interested in moving more stuff
> > there and separating into a mainpage with links to all the others, that
> > would be great.
> >
> > Note, a wiki can't replace a mailing list. I'm not going to go watch a
> > webpage change, but I will read the posts to a mailing list :)
>
> Agreed. I think that wiki-izing the TODO list is a good idea. It
> certainly would have helped me find things to do when I was looking,
> and I'm sure it would help when I start looking for things to do
> again.
>
> I also agree that I won't be able to follow changes to a webpage
> easily. I'd much rather follow a mailing list. But having some
> simple status information on the wiki page would be beneficial. Just
> name / email address and date started would probably be enough.

i'm not suggesting that the wiki entirely replace the mailing list in
terms of the ToDo list, but it would be a more permanent record of
outstanding items and their completion status, and it would be far
easier to keep up to date.

and if a small group of people get heavily involved in some item, they
can chat via the wiki page rather than clogging up the mailing list.

as a start, here's a suggestion:

1) on the KJ ToDo page, add a new link Under "Wiki" entitled "To Do
List"

2) have that link take you to an empty page where people can start
adding new To Do entries to a list, *each* of which will be a link to
a page associated with that item, discussing the details of that item,
who is currently working on it (if anyone), arguments on the best way
to go about it, etc.

and that's it.  this might be a bit disorganized for the first little
while, but it should be easy to work the bugs out quickly.

let's just start with the new link under the "Wiki" heading and see
where that leads.

rday

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Re: [KJ] what about a wiki to keep track of individual ToDo items?

[Darren Jenkins]

G'day people


I also think a wiki is a very good idea.

> gives lots of suggestions for things to do, but there's absolutely no
> indication of whether these items are still relevant, which ones have
> been completed, which ones are underway, who's working on each one and
> so on.

I think another important benifit is the ability to add links to new
developments and extra information. like threads on lkml for instance
where poeple are talking about the relavent areas, rejected patches
and the reasons they were rejected, or what an acceptable patch for
that To Do item looks like.


Darren J.
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