From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
yi.zhu@intel.com, jketreno@linux.intel.com,
linux-wireless <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:45:25 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070304164525.349f9589.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070305002550.GI23311@waste.org>
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:25:50 -0600 Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:39:24AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > [adding linux-wireless to CC]
> >
> > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:08 -0600, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > > Recent kernels are having troubles with wireless for me. Two seemingly
> > > related problems:
> >
> > I don't think they are related actually.
> >
> > > a) NetworkManager seems oblivious to the existence of my IPW2200
> >
> > This is due to the recent sysfs restructuring I think. IIRC the fix is
> > to upgrade hal to a current git version.
>
> If that's the cause, the fix is to back out whatever was done to break
> userspace. Breaking userspace is not ok. Upgrading from 2.6.x to
> 2.6.x+1 should not entail replacing substantial parts of userspace,
> especially with NOT-EVEN-FRAKKING-RELEASED-YET CODE.
yep. Adrian, I think we should track this as a blocking regression, at
least until we've fully understood the implications and had the usual
arguments.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk-HeJ8Db2Gnd6zQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org>,
Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
yi.zhu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
jketreno-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless
<linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:45:25 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070304164525.349f9589.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070305002550.GI23311-1tnLUEbcrg3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:25:50 -0600 Matt Mackall <mpm-VDJrAJ4Gl5ZBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:39:24AM +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > [adding linux-wireless to CC]
> >
> > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 16:08 -0600, Matt Mackall wrote:
> > > Recent kernels are having troubles with wireless for me. Two seemingly
> > > related problems:
> >
> > I don't think they are related actually.
> >
> > > a) NetworkManager seems oblivious to the existence of my IPW2200
> >
> > This is due to the recent sysfs restructuring I think. IIRC the fix is
> > to upgrade hal to a current git version.
>
> If that's the cause, the fix is to back out whatever was done to break
> userspace. Breaking userspace is not ok. Upgrading from 2.6.x to
> 2.6.x+1 should not entail replacing substantial parts of userspace,
> especially with NOT-EVEN-FRAKKING-RELEASED-YET CODE.
yep. Adrian, I think we should track this as a blocking regression, at
least until we've fully understood the implications and had the usual
arguments.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-05 0:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-04 22:08 Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager) Matt Mackall
2007-03-04 23:39 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-04 23:39 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-05 0:25 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-05 0:45 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-03-05 0:45 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-05 1:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05 1:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05 0:46 ` Ian McDonald
2007-03-05 0:46 ` Ian McDonald
2007-03-05 1:17 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 1:17 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 11:20 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-05 11:20 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-05 12:59 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-05 18:58 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 19:55 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-05 22:39 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-06 3:07 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-05 23:05 ` Jeffrey Hundstad
2007-03-05 23:40 ` [2.6.21 patch] unconditionally enable SYSFS_DEPRECATED Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05 23:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-06 0:07 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 0:07 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 0:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-06 0:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-06 0:41 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 0:41 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 1:30 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 1:56 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 1:56 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 13:20 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-06 15:55 ` Dan Williams
2007-03-06 2:48 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 2:48 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 3:04 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 3:04 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 3:39 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 3:39 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 4:03 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 4:03 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 6:10 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 6:10 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 19:01 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 20:05 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 20:05 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 0:35 ` Recent wireless breakage (ipw2200, iwconfig, NetworkManager) Johannes Berg
2007-03-05 1:16 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 6:42 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-05 7:02 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 7:13 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-05 15:46 ` Tomasz Torcz
2007-03-05 21:14 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-06 0:24 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-03-06 0:37 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 0:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-06 1:08 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06 1:17 ` Greg KH
2007-03-06 1:38 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06 1:10 ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 21:58 ` Joel Becker
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