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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>,
	David Hubbard <david.c.hubbard@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf@atrpms.net
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:36:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070307093644.GC4285@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070307101758.8cf2c53d.khali@linux-fr.org>

Hi!

> > > > 2) make ACPI take this lock whenever it touches ports not allocated by itself
> > > >    and release it on function return.
> > > 
> > > This is costly.
> > 
> > TANSTAAFL. You'll need to take some lock, and if you want port emulation 
> > or per-device-mutex, you'll have to pay the price.
> 
> True, but precisely, I wonder what will perform the best in practice, a
> single semaphore that is unconditionally taken by ACPI/AML, or your
> finer-grained approach and its many additional tests.

I'd say mutexes are not that bad. ... i/o accesses are expensive,
anyway, right?

> We may be able to workaround the inter-driver exclusion though, if we
> use a semaphore initialized to N, have ACPI take N, but other drivers
> take just one. This would let ACPI be exclusive with all the other
> drivers, but drivers themselves could otherwise run concurrently. That
> being said, we do not appear to have the required primitives to take
> more than 1 semaphore resource at once at the moment, so we'd need to
> do that first.

Hmm, nice hack. Yes, driver-driver serialization would be nasty.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html

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From: pavel@ucw.cz (Pavel Machek)
To: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Cc: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>,
	David Hubbard <david.c.hubbard@gmail.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Rudolf@atrpms.net
Subject: [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI?
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:36:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070307093644.GC4285@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070307101758.8cf2c53d.khali@linux-fr.org>

Hi!

> > > > 2) make ACPI take this lock whenever it touches ports not allocated by itself
> > > >    and release it on function return.
> > > 
> > > This is costly.
> > 
> > TANSTAAFL. You'll need to take some lock, and if you want port emulation 
> > or per-device-mutex, you'll have to pay the price.
> 
> True, but precisely, I wonder what will perform the best in practice, a
> single semaphore that is unconditionally taken by ACPI/AML, or your
> finer-grained approach and its many additional tests.

I'd say mutexes are not that bad. ... i/o accesses are expensive,
anyway, right?

> We may be able to workaround the inter-driver exclusion though, if we
> use a semaphore initialized to N, have ACPI take N, but other drivers
> take just one. This would let ACPI be exclusive with all the other
> drivers, but drivers themselves could otherwise run concurrently. That
> being said, we do not appear to have the required primitives to take
> more than 1 semaphore resource at once at the moment, so we'd need to
> do that first.

Hmm, nice hack. Yes, driver-driver serialization would be nasty.
									Pavel
-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html


  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-07  9:36 UTC|newest]

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2007-03-05 13:56                     ` [lm-sensors] Could the k8temp driver be interfering with ACPI? Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-05 13:56                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 15:19                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:19                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-06 20:40                           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07  9:17                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:17                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-07  9:36                             ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-03-07  9:36                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-07 17:09                             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-03-07 17:09                               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-02-16 17:31 Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 17:57 ` Len Brown
2007-02-16 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-16 19:59 ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-16 19:31   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:32     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:32       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 23:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-18 23:22         ` Andi Kleen
2007-02-17 10:49 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 10:49   ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-17 18:14   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-17 18:14     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-18 17:38     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 17:38       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-20 15:18       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:18         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-20 15:33         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-20 15:33           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-21 14:59           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:59             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 15:07           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-28 21:38       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-28 21:38         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-01 14:26         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 14:26           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-01 17:48           ` Dave Jones
2007-03-01 17:48             ` Dave Jones
2007-03-02 11:27             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:27               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:31               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:31                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 13:47                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:47                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 13:57                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:57                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-03  6:44                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  6:44                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 11:40           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:40             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 11:47             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 11:47               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 13:58               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 13:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 21:00                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:00                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:22                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-03-02 21:22                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-04-01 15:39                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-01 15:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 15:48                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 19:22                       ` Dave Jones
2007-04-03  5:49                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-02 20:55                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-04-03  7:21                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-04 21:35                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:10               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:10                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:18                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:18                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:04                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:04                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:12                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:12                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03  9:53                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03  9:53                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-03 15:47                         ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:47                           ` David Hubbard
2007-03-03 15:50                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 15:50                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-03 17:08                             ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-03 17:08                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                               ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-04 17:29                                 ` Rudolf Marek
2007-03-05 21:16                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:16                                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 21:35                                   ` David Hubbard
2007-03-05 21:35                                     ` David Hubbard
2007-03-06 15:10                                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:10                                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-04 10:54                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-05 22:25                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-05 22:25                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06  7:55                           ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06  7:55                             ` Benny Amorsen
2007-03-06 15:26                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 15:26                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 20:07                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 20:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-03-06 21:20                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 21:25                               ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-06 21:25                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-18 19:36                         ` richardvoigt
2007-03-18 19:36                           ` richardvoigt at gmail.com
2007-03-19  7:08                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-19  7:08                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 22:07                     ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 22:07                       ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09  7:18                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09  7:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 10:24                         ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:24                           ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 10:39                           ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 10:39                             ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 11:21                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 11:21                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-09 17:23                             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:23                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-09 17:35                               ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 17:35                                 ` Alexey Starikovskiy
2007-03-09 21:03                                 ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 21:03                                   ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                         ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-09 20:56                           ` Moore, Robert
2007-03-02 14:22                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:22                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:03             ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:03               ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 14:24               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:24                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 14:57               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 14:57                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:41                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:41                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-02 21:46                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-02 21:46                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-03-06 21:28                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-03-06 21:28                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-13 18:18               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 18:18                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:07                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:07                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-13 20:59                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-13 20:59                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15  9:41                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15  9:41                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-15 20:31                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:31                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-15 20:59                         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-15 20:59                           ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16  0:57                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16  0:57                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 21:14                             ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 21:14                               ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-16 22:28                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-16 22:28                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2007-04-17 23:50                                 ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 23:50                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                   ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-22 16:55                                     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-04-17 10:03                               ` Jean Delvare
2007-04-17 10:03                                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-18 22:43     ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-18 22:43       ` Rudolf Marek
2007-02-20 15:08       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 15:08         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-20 19:11         ` Dave Jones
2007-02-20 19:11           ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 16:17           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:17             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 17:37             ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 17:37               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19               ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 20:19                 ` Dave Jones
2007-02-22 16:37                 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-22 16:37                   ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:13                   ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:13                     ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-23  7:47                     ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  7:47                       ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54         ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 14:54           ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:03           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:03             ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-02-21 16:22             ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-21 16:22               ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-23  8:08 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-26 17:24 ` Jean Delvare
2007-02-26 19:03 ` Hans de Goede
2007-02-27  8:45 ` Jean Delvare

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