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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Ashif Harji <asharji@cs.uwaterloo.ca>,
	dingxn@cse.ohio-state.edu, shaggy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	andi@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	npiggin@suse.de, jack@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/filemap.c: unconditionally call mark_page_accessed
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:06:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070315150601.682036cf.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070315214923.GE6687@v2.random>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:49:23 +0100
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:07:35AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Ashif Harji <asharji@cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> > > I still think the simple fix of removing the 
> > > condition is the best approach, but I'm certainly open to alternatives.
> > 
> > Yes, the problem of falsely activating pages when the file is read in small
> > hunks is worse than the problem which your patch fixes.
> 
> Really? I would have expected all performance sensitive apps to read
> in >=PAGE_SIZE chunks. And if they don't because they split their
> dataset in blocks (like some database), it may not be so wrong to
> activate those pages that have two "hot" blocks more aggressively than
> those pages with a single hot block.

But the problem which is being fixed here is really obscure: an application
repeatedly reading the first page and only the first page of a file, always
via the same fd.

I'd expect that the sub-page-size read scenarion happens heaps more often
than that, especially when dealing with larger PAGE_SIZEs.



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: Ashif Harji <asharji@cs.uwaterloo.ca>,
	dingxn@cse.ohio-state.edu, shaggy@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	andi@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	npiggin@suse.de, jack@suse.cz, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/filemap.c: unconditionally call mark_page_accessed
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:06:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070315150601.682036cf.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070315214923.GE6687@v2.random>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:49:23 +0100
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:07:35AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Ashif Harji <asharji@cs.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> > > I still think the simple fix of removing the 
> > > condition is the best approach, but I'm certainly open to alternatives.
> > 
> > Yes, the problem of falsely activating pages when the file is read in small
> > hunks is worse than the problem which your patch fixes.
> 
> Really? I would have expected all performance sensitive apps to read
> in >=PAGE_SIZE chunks. And if they don't because they split their
> dataset in blocks (like some database), it may not be so wrong to
> activate those pages that have two "hot" blocks more aggressively than
> those pages with a single hot block.

But the problem which is being fixed here is really obscure: an application
repeatedly reading the first page and only the first page of a file, always
via the same fd.

I'd expect that the sub-page-size read scenarion happens heaps more often
than that, especially when dealing with larger PAGE_SIZEs.


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-15 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-09 22:03 do_generic_mapping_read performance issue Ashif Harji
2007-03-12 14:20 ` Jan Kara
2007-03-12 14:39   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-12 15:13     ` Jan Kara
2007-03-12 17:05       ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-12 17:35         ` Jan Kara
2007-03-13 18:43           ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-13 18:55             ` Jan Kara
2007-03-14 19:58               ` [PATCH] mm/filemap.c: unconditionally call mark_page_accessed Ashif Harji
2007-03-14 19:58                 ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-14 20:55                 ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-14 20:55                   ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-14 21:33                   ` Andreas Mohr
2007-03-14 21:33                     ` Andreas Mohr
2007-03-14 22:08                     ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-14 22:08                       ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-15  1:36                       ` Xiaoning Ding
2007-03-15  1:36                         ` Xiaoning Ding
2007-03-15  5:22                         ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-15  5:22                           ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-15 12:46                           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-15 12:46                             ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-15 12:50                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 12:50                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 19:07                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 19:07                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 21:49                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 21:49                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 22:06                               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-03-15 22:06                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 23:15                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 23:15                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 15:00                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 15:00                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 17:37                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-03-15 18:35                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 18:35                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-16  3:51                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-03-16  4:09                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-16  4:09                             ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-16 14:20                   ` Anton Blanchard
2007-03-16 14:20                     ` Anton Blanchard
2007-03-15 10:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-15 10:39                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-15 12:38                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 12:38                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 15:06                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 15:06                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 15:56                 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-03-15 16:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 16:29                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 17:04                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 17:04                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-15 17:44                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-15 17:44                       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-03-15 20:01                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 20:01                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 22:59                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 22:59                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 23:15                         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-15 23:15                           ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-03-15 23:28                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 23:28                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-03-15 19:55                     ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-15 19:55                       ` Ashif Harji
2007-03-15 20:07                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 20:07                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 20:31                         ` Andreas Mohr
2007-03-15 20:31                           ` Andreas Mohr
2007-03-12 16:46   ` do_generic_mapping_read performance issue Ashif Harji

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