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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
Cc: Esben Nielsen <nielsen.esben@googlemail.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	caglar@pardus.org.tr, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	Zach Carter <linux@zachcarter.com>,
	buddabrod <buddabrod@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:09:55 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070510130954.GC4052@ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <463FC5D8.2090502@bigpond.net.au>

Hi!

> >>You say there is "no danger of overflow", and I mostly 
> >>agree that once
> >>we're talking about 64-bit values, the overflow issue 
> >>simply doesn't
> >>exist, and furthermore the difference between 63 and 
> >>64 bits is not really
> >>relevant, so there's no major reason to actively avoid 
> >>signed entries.
> >>
> >>So in that sense, it all sounds perfectly sane. And 
> >>I'm definitely not
> >>sure your "292 years after bootup" worry is really 
> >>worth even considering.
> >>
> >
> >I would hate to tell mission control for Mankind's 
> >first mission to another
> >star to reboot every 200 years because "there is no 
> >need to worry about it."
> >
> >As a matter of principle an OS should never need a 
> >reboot (with exception for upgrading). If you say you 
> >have to reboot every 200 years, why not every 100? 
> >Every 50? .... Every 45 days (you know what I am 
> >referring to :-) ?
> 
> There's always going to be an upper limit on the 
> representation of time. At least until we figure out 
>  how to implement infinity properly.

There's also upper limit on life time of this universe. 1000 bits is
certainly enough  to represent that in u-seconds.

Also notice that current cpus were not designed to work 300 years.
When we have hw designed for 50 years+, we can start to worry.

							Pavel
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-11 12:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-01 21:22 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  2:57 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  5:10   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-02  5:30   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 10:27   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 17:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-02 17:48     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 18:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 18:56         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 19:42             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  2:48       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03  3:18       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 10:19         ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 23:41     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 18:42   ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-02 19:10     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  3:07     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03  8:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 14:26     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:19       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 15:02     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:03   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:48       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:13     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:51       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  7:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:11   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 10:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  9:08 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 10:59     ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 11:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-05  8:31         ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-05 17:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-06  8:29             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06  8:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-06  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 17:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 11:30                 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 15:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-07 16:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  0:35                   ` Peter Williams
2007-05-08  9:05                     ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-09  0:01                       ` Peter Williams
2007-05-10 13:09                     ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-05-11 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-11 19:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 19:37                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-11 20:53                             ` Kevin Bowling
2007-05-07 11:09             ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 16:28               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 18:39                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-07 18:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  7:34                   ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  9:54                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-08 10:27                       ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  5:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-05-02 16:41   ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-03  8:20 Zoltan Boszormenyi
2007-05-03 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 13:29   ` Damien Wyart
2007-05-03 14:53     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:53       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 18:44         ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-03 19:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 14:22         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-07 20:54           ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-07  0:04     ` Bill Davidsen

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