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From: Ting Yang <tingy@cs.umass.edu>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:19:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4639FD68.1060500@cs.umass.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070503142618.GB25479@in.ibm.com>


Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 10:50:15AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>  
>> - EEVDF concentrates on real-time (SCHED_RR-alike) workloads where they
>>   know the length of work units
>>     
>
> This is what I was thinking when I wrote earlier that EEVDF expects each
> task will specify "length of each new request"
> (http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/2/339).
>   
This is not very true based on my understanding of EEVDF, please look at 
the email I just sent out to Ingo for explanation.
> The other observation that I have of EEVDF is that it tries to be fair
> in the virtual time scale (each client will get 'wi' real units in 1
> virtual unit), whereas sometimes fairness in real-time scale also 
> matters?
> For ex: a multi-media app would call scheduler fair to it, it it recvs
> atleast 1 ms cpu time every 10 *real* milleseconds (frame-time). A rogue
> user (or workload) that does a fork bomb may skew this fairness for that
> multi-media app in real-time scale under EEVDF?
>   
First of all, CFS does not seems to address this issue to. This is a 
typical real-time or soft real-time question, that is not only the 
bandwidth of a task has to be fixed, i.e. 10% of cpu bandwidth (which 
proportional shared system, like CFS, EEVDF does not do), and the work 
need to satisfy a deadline.
In both CFS, EEVDF, the scheduler have keep tweaking weights to give a 
fixed bandwidth to application. Authors of EEVDF claims this can be 
done, but never implemented :-(

Ting

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-03 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-01 21:22 [patch] CFS scheduler, -v8 Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  2:57 ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  5:10   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-02  5:30   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 10:27   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 17:36   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-02 17:48     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 18:15       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 18:56         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-02 19:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 19:42             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  2:48       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03  3:18       ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03 10:19         ` Bill Huey
2007-05-02 23:41     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02 18:42   ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-02 19:10     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03  3:07     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-03  8:50   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 14:26     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:19       ` Ting Yang [this message]
2007-05-03 15:02     ` Ting Yang
2007-05-02  6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  6:45   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:03   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:12     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:48       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  8:13     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  8:51       ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02  7:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-05-02  8:11   ` Gene Heskett
2007-05-02 10:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02  9:08 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 10:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-02 10:59     ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-02 11:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-05  8:31         ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-05 17:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-06  8:29             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06  8:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-06  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-06 17:45               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 11:30                 ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 15:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-07 16:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  0:35                   ` Peter Williams
2007-05-08  9:05                     ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-09  0:01                       ` Peter Williams
2007-05-10 13:09                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-11 19:18                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-05-11 19:37                           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-05-11 20:53                             ` Kevin Bowling
2007-05-07 11:09             ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-07 16:28               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-07 18:39                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-07 18:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-08  7:34                   ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  9:54                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-05-08 10:27                       ` Esben Nielsen
2007-05-08  5:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-05-02 12:58 ` Vegard Nossum
2007-05-02 16:41   ` Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-03  8:20 Zoltan Boszormenyi
2007-05-03 13:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-03 13:29   ` Damien Wyart
2007-05-03 14:53     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-03 15:53       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-03 18:44         ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-03 19:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 14:22         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-07 20:54           ` Li, Tong N
2007-05-07  0:04     ` Bill Davidsen

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