* Re: 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
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@ 2007-05-20 15:53 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-20 16:01 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-20 16:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Richter @ 2007-05-20 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Elimar Riesebieter; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, linux1394-devel, ben.collins
(Adding linuxppc-dev)
Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> FYI, building the kernel modules with
> gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
> on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
>
> ...
> drivers/firewire/fw-ohci.c: In function 'ar_context_tasklet':
> drivers/firewire/fw-ohci.c:357: warning: unused variable 'ohci'
> drivers/firewire/fw-ohci.c: In function 'context_release':
> drivers/firewire/fw-ohci.c:502: warning: unused variable 'card'
> drivers/firewire/fw-sbp2.c: In function 'complete_command_orb':
> drivers/firewire/fw-sbp2.c:838: warning: unused variable 'device'
> drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.c: In function 'sbp2util_remove_command_orb_pool':
> drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.c:497: warning: unused variable 'host'
> drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.c: In function 'sbp2util_mark_command_completed':
> drivers/ieee1394/sbp2.c:588: warning: unused variable 'host'
> ...
The allegedly unused variables are used in calls to dma_unmap_single(),
but only for these calls. On PPC32, you get
/* We do nothing. */
#define dma_unmap_single(dev, addr, size, dir) ((void)0)
in dma-mapping.h. This is also the case for Linux 2.6.20.
But in Linux 2.6.19 and older, it was
/* We do nothing. */
#define dma_unmap_single(dev, addr, size, dir) do { } while (0)
(Furthermore, the sbp2 driver used the pci_dma_ API in Linux 2.6.19 and
older, and fw-ohci wasn't in mainline before 2.6.22-rc1.)
I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)? Either way, the compiler
should comprehend that the arguments stuffed into the dma_unmap_single
macro are _not_ unused by accident; it should stay quiet and optimize
the unused variables away if run with -Osomething.
Does somebody know more?
I'd like to avoid cluttering the drivers with __attribute((used)).
> If more info is needed, please contact me via PM, as I am not
> subscribed.
We usually keep posters Cc'ed in list replies, at least on development
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2007-05-20 15:53 ` 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc Stefan Richter
@ 2007-05-20 16:01 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-20 16:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Richter @ 2007-05-20 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Elimar Riesebieter; +Cc: linuxppc-dev, linux1394-devel, ben.collins
I wrote:
> The allegedly unused variables are used in calls to dma_unmap_single(),
> but only for these calls.
and a call to dma_unmap_sg().
> On PPC32, you get
>
> /* We do nothing. */
> #define dma_unmap_single(dev, addr, size, dir) ((void)0)
>
> in dma-mapping.h. This is also the case for Linux 2.6.20.
> But in Linux 2.6.19 and older, it was
>
> /* We do nothing. */
> #define dma_unmap_single(dev, addr, size, dir) do { } while (0)
...
> I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
> the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)?
...
Ditto for dma_unmap_sg().
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2007-05-20 15:53 ` 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc Stefan Richter
2007-05-20 16:01 ` Stefan Richter
@ 2007-05-20 16:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-05-20 18:19 ` Segher Boessenkool
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2007-05-20 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linuxppc-dev
Cc: Stefan Richter, linux1394-devel, Elimar Riesebieter, ben.collins
On Sunday 20 May 2007, Stefan Richter wrote:
> I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
> the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)? =A0Either way, the compiler
> should comprehend that the arguments stuffed into the dma_unmap_single
> macro are _not_ unused by accident; it should stay quiet and optimize
> the unused variables away if run with -Osomething.
There is not much that the compiler can do by itself, since the macro
expansion happens in the preprocessor.
I think the best solution would be to replace the macros with
inline functions, so that the compiler can see them. This will
also give gcc the chance to do type checking on the arguments.
Arnd <><
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2007-05-20 16:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
@ 2007-05-20 18:19 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-05-20 18:40 ` Stefan Richter
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Segher Boessenkool @ 2007-05-20 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Arnd Bergmann
Cc: linuxppc-dev, linux1394-devel, Stefan Richter, Elimar Riesebieter,
ben.collins
>> I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
>> the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)? =A0Either way, the=20
>> compiler
>> should comprehend that the arguments stuffed into the =
dma_unmap_single
>> macro are _not_ unused by accident; it should stay quiet and optimize
>> the unused variables away if run with -Osomething.
>
> There is not much that the compiler can do by itself, since the macro
> expansion happens in the preprocessor.
Even if the compiler could see that the variables are
used as macro arguments, this doesn't automatically
equate to it being able to infer the variables are
unused on purpose.
> I think the best solution would be to replace the macros with
> inline functions, so that the compiler can see them.
This should shut up the warnings, yes...
> This will
> also give gcc the chance to do type checking on the arguments.
...and it is a good idea no matter what.
Segher
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2007-05-20 18:19 ` Segher Boessenkool
@ 2007-05-20 18:40 ` Stefan Richter
2007-05-20 20:39 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Richter @ 2007-05-20 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Segher Boessenkool
Cc: linuxppc-dev, linux1394-devel, Elimar Riesebieter, Arnd Bergmann,
ben.collins
Segher Boessenkool wrote:
>>> I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
>>> the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)? Either way, the compiler
>>> should comprehend that the arguments stuffed into the dma_unmap_single
>>> macro are _not_ unused by accident; it should stay quiet and optimize
>>> the unused variables away if run with -Osomething.
>>
>> There is not much that the compiler can do by itself, since the macro
>> expansion happens in the preprocessor.
>
> Even if the compiler could see that the variables are
> used as macro arguments, this doesn't automatically
> equate to it being able to infer the variables are
> unused on purpose.
Strange. I believe we had code before with variables that were only
used in macros that expanded to <nil>, notably debug logging macros
which were usually configured out. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
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2007-05-20 18:40 ` Stefan Richter
@ 2007-05-20 20:39 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2007-05-20 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Richter
Cc: Arnd Bergmann, ben.collins, linuxppc-dev, linux1394-devel,
Elimar Riesebieter
On Sun, 20 May 2007, Stefan Richter wrote:
> Segher Boessenkool wrote:
> >>> I don't know what's to blame for the warnings --- new gcc versions or
> >>> the change from do { } while (0) to ((void)0)? Either way, the compiler
> >>> should comprehend that the arguments stuffed into the dma_unmap_single
> >>> macro are _not_ unused by accident; it should stay quiet and optimize
> >>> the unused variables away if run with -Osomething.
> >>
> >> There is not much that the compiler can do by itself, since the macro
> >> expansion happens in the preprocessor.
> >
> > Even if the compiler could see that the variables are
> > used as macro arguments, this doesn't automatically
> > equate to it being able to infer the variables are
> > unused on purpose.
>
> Strange. I believe we had code before with variables that were only
> used in macros that expanded to <nil>, notably debug logging macros
> which were usually configured out. Perhaps I'm mistaken.
No, they were unused by the macro when DEBUG was not set.
Only when dev_dbg() was converted from a macro to a static inline function
did they start to be used (according to the compiler) all the time.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 11:30 Elimar Riesebieter
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From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: benh; +Cc: linuxppc-dev
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel modules with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c: In function 'thermostat_init':
drivers//therm_adt746x.c:617: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:618: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:619: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:620: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:621: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:622: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:623: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:624: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:625: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/macintosh/therm_adt746x.c:627: warning: ignoring return value of 'device_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
...
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 11:27 Elimar Riesebieter
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From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bfennema; +Cc: linux-kernel
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel modules with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
fs/udf/balloc.c: In function 'udf_table_new_block':
fs/udf/balloc.c:747: warning: 'goal_eloc.logicalBlockNum' may be used uninitialized in this function
fs/udf/super.c: In function 'udf_fill_super':
fs/udf/super.c:1359: warning: 'ino.partitionReferenceNum' may be used uninitialized in this function
...
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Thanks for your patience
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 11:25 Elimar Riesebieter
2007-05-22 5:40 ` Neil Brown
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: neilb; +Cc: nfs
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel modules with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c: In function '_posix_to_nfsv4_one':
fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.owner' may be used uninitialized in this function
fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.group' may be used uninitialized in this function
fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.other' may be used uninitialized in this function
...
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Thanks for your patience
Elimar
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* Re: 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
2007-05-20 11:25 Elimar Riesebieter
@ 2007-05-22 5:40 ` Neil Brown
2007-05-22 17:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Brown @ 2007-05-22 5:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Elimar Riesebieter; +Cc: J. Bruce Fields, nfs
On Sunday May 20, riesebie@lxtec.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> FYI, building the kernel modules with
> gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
> on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
>
> ...
> fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c: In function '_posix_to_nfsv4_one':
> fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.owner' may be used uninitialized in this function
> fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.group' may be used uninitialized in this function
> fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.other' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ...
Yes....
The reality is that these fields will not be used uninitialised. This
is because every 'posix_acl' always has an ACL_USER_OBJ, and
ACL_GROUP_OBJ, and an ACL_OTHER. Isn't it Bruce ??
Maybe we could set all three to zero at the top of
summarize_posix_acl, but doing that just to get the compiler to be
quite is sometimes frowned upon.
Bruce? Do you have an opinion?
NeilBrown
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* Re: 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
2007-05-22 5:40 ` Neil Brown
@ 2007-05-22 17:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: J. Bruce Fields @ 2007-05-22 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Neil Brown; +Cc: nfs, Elimar Riesebieter
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:40:50PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Sunday May 20, riesebie@lxtec.de wrote:
> > fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c: In function '_posix_to_nfsv4_one':
> > fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.owner' may be used uninitialized in this function
> > fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.group' may be used uninitialized in this function
> > fs/nfsd/nfs4acl.c:227: warning: 'pas.other' may be used uninitialized in this function
>
> Yes....
> The reality is that these fields will not be used uninitialised. This
> is because every 'posix_acl' always has an ACL_USER_OBJ, and
> ACL_GROUP_OBJ, and an ACL_OTHER. Isn't it Bruce ??
Yeah, note the:
/* We assume the acl has been verified with posix_acl_valid. */
at the top of _posix_to_nfsv4_one()--as long as that's true, the
warnings are bogus. Of course, this isn't the sort of thing you'd
expect a compiler to know. But probably it should know it can't know,
and be quiet.
> Maybe we could set all three to zero at the top of
> summarize_posix_acl, but doing that just to get the compiler to be
> quite is sometimes frowned upon.
>
> Bruce? Do you have an opinion?
You've summed it up.
I hate the compile noise too. If people really wanted the
initialization there, and didn't think it would make the code more
confusing (e.g. by implying the rest of the code should also be dealing
with the case when the ACL_USER_OBJ, ACL_GROUP, or ACL_OTHER entries
weren't there), then I'd be OK with adding it. Though I'm not
particularly interested in another flamewar about whose fault these
warnings are.
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 11:19 Elimar Riesebieter
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From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 11:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: davej; +Cc: cpufreq
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c: In function 'cpufreq_add_dev':
drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c:829: warning: ignoring return value of 'sysfs_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c:833: warning: ignoring return value of 'sysfs_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c:835: warning: ignoring return value of 'sysfs_create_file', declared with attribute warn_unused_result
...
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 11:18 Elimar Riesebieter
2007-05-20 17:48 ` Patrick McHardy
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kaber; +Cc: netfilter-devel
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
ipc/msg.c: In function 'sys_msgctl':
ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.qbytes' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.uid' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.gid' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.mode' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/sem.c: In function 'sys_semctl':
ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.uid' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.gid' may be used uninitialized in this function
ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.mode' may be used uninitialized in this function
...
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* Re: 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
2007-05-20 11:18 Elimar Riesebieter
@ 2007-05-20 17:48 ` Patrick McHardy
0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Patrick McHardy @ 2007-05-20 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Elimar Riesebieter; +Cc: netfilter-devel
Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> FYI, building the kernel with
> gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
> on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
> ...
> ipc/msg.c: In function 'sys_msgctl':
> ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.qbytes' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.uid' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.gid' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/msg.c:390: warning: 'setbuf.mode' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/sem.c: In function 'sys_semctl':
> ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.uid' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.gid' may be used uninitialized in this function
> ipc/sem.c:861: warning: 'setbuf.mode' may be used uninitialized in this function
Probably just another bogus gcc warning. In any case it has nothing
to do with netfilter.
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* 2.6.22-rc2 built on ppc
@ 2007-05-20 10:59 Elimar Riesebieter
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From: Elimar Riesebieter @ 2007-05-20 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dmitry.torokhov; +Cc: linux-input
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Hi,
FYI, building the kernel with
gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070514 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-7)
on my powerbook (PPC) gives:
...
drivers/input/keyboard/Kconfig:170:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'KEYBOARD_ATARI' refers to undefined symbol 'ATARI_KBD_CORE'
drivers/input/mouse/Kconfig:182:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'MOUSE_ATARI' refers to undefined symbol 'ATARI_KBD_CORE'
drivers/input/keyboard/Kconfig:170:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'KEYBOARD_ATARI' refers to undefined symbol 'ATARI_KBD_CORE'
drivers/input/mouse/Kconfig:182:warning: 'select' used by config symbol 'MOUSE_ATARI' refers to undefined symbol 'ATARI_KBD_CORE'
...
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