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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
Cc: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru>, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>,
	devel@openvz.org, Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Subject: Re: RSS controller v2 Test results (lmbench )
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:59:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070521145917.GN19966@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1179755615.5113.12.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 09:37 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> oops! I wonder if AIM7 creates too many processes and exhausts all
>> memory. I've seen a case where during an upgrade of my tetex on my
>> laptop, the setup process failed and continued to fork processes
>> filling up 4GB of swap.

On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> Jumping in late, I just want to note that in our investigations, when
> AIM7 gets into this situation [non-responsive system], it's because all
> cpus are in reclaim, spinning on an anon_vma spin lock.  AIM7 forks [10s
> of] thousands of children from a single parent, resultings in thousands
> of vmas on the anon_vma list.  shrink_inactive_list() must walk this
> list twice [page_referenced() and try_to_unmap()] under spin_lock for
> each anon page.  

I wonder how far out RCU'ing the anon_vma lock is.


On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> [Aside:  Just last week, I encountered a similar situation on the
> i_mmap_lock for page cache pages running a 1200 user Oracle/OLTP run on
> a largish ia64 system.  Left the system spitting out "soft lockup"
> messages/stack dumps overnight.  Still spitting the next day, so I
> decided to reboot.]
> I have a patch that turns the anon_vma lock into a reader/writer lock
> that alleviates the problem somewhat, but with 10s of thousands of vmas
> on the lists, system still can't swap enough memory fast enough to
> recover.

Oh dear. Some algorithmic voodoo like virtually clustered scanning may
be in order in addition to anon_vma lock RCU'ing/etc.


On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> We've run some AIM7 tests with Rik's "split lru list" patch, both with
> and without the anon_vma reader/writer lock patch.  We'll be posting
> results later this week.  Quick summary:  with Rik's patch, AIM
> performance tanks earlier, as the system starts swapping earlier.
> However, system remains responsive to shell input.  More into to follow.

I'm not sure where policy comes into this.


-- wli

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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
Cc: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@sw.ru>, Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>,
	devel@openvz.org, Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Subject: Re: RSS controller v2 Test results (lmbench )
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:59:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070521145917.GN19966@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1179755615.5113.12.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 09:37 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>> oops! I wonder if AIM7 creates too many processes and exhausts all
>> memory. I've seen a case where during an upgrade of my tetex on my
>> laptop, the setup process failed and continued to fork processes
>> filling up 4GB of swap.

On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> Jumping in late, I just want to note that in our investigations, when
> AIM7 gets into this situation [non-responsive system], it's because all
> cpus are in reclaim, spinning on an anon_vma spin lock.  AIM7 forks [10s
> of] thousands of children from a single parent, resultings in thousands
> of vmas on the anon_vma list.  shrink_inactive_list() must walk this
> list twice [page_referenced() and try_to_unmap()] under spin_lock for
> each anon page.  

I wonder how far out RCU'ing the anon_vma lock is.


On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> [Aside:  Just last week, I encountered a similar situation on the
> i_mmap_lock for page cache pages running a 1200 user Oracle/OLTP run on
> a largish ia64 system.  Left the system spitting out "soft lockup"
> messages/stack dumps overnight.  Still spitting the next day, so I
> decided to reboot.]
> I have a patch that turns the anon_vma lock into a reader/writer lock
> that alleviates the problem somewhat, but with 10s of thousands of vmas
> on the lists, system still can't swap enough memory fast enough to
> recover.

Oh dear. Some algorithmic voodoo like virtually clustered scanning may
be in order in addition to anon_vma lock RCU'ing/etc.


On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:53:34AM -0400, Lee Schermerhorn wrote:
> We've run some AIM7 tests with Rik's "split lru list" patch, both with
> and without the anon_vma reader/writer lock patch.  We'll be posting
> results later this week.  Quick summary:  with Rik's patch, AIM
> performance tanks earlier, as the system starts swapping earlier.
> However, system remains responsive to shell input.  More into to follow.

I'm not sure where policy comes into this.


-- wli

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-21 15:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-17 17:50 RSS controller v2 Test results (lmbench ) Balbir Singh
2007-05-17 17:50 ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-17 18:23 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-17 18:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-18  3:46   ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-18  3:46     ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-21 15:03   ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-05-21 15:03     ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-05-24  7:36     ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-24  7:36       ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-24  7:39       ` Paul Menage
2007-05-24  7:39         ` Paul Menage
2007-05-24  8:00         ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-24  8:00           ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-18  2:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-05-18  2:55   ` Rik van Riel
2007-05-18  4:07   ` Balbir Singh
2007-05-21 13:53     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-21 13:53       ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-05-21 14:59       ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2007-05-21 14:59         ` William Lee Irwin III

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