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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dtor-xOqKmqBdiMhF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
	<hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-input-jyMamyUUXNJG4ohzP4jBZS1Fcj925eT/@public.gmane.org,
	ibm-acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Richard Hughes
	<hughsient-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:16:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705282316.32173.dtor@insightbb.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070527121513.GC19562-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>

On Sunday 27 May 2007 08:15, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2007, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > On Saturday 26 May 2007 13:31, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > Add hotkeys available in almost all ThinkPads manufactured in the last five
> > > years (more than one million machines given the ammount of batteries
> > > recalled) to input.h, and make thinkpad-acpi use those instead of issuing
> > > KEY_UNKNOWN.
> > > 
> > > KEY_FN_PAGEDOWN is not ever reported by the ThinkPad firmware due to random
> > > bogon-induced stupidity at IBM some years ago, but it is provided because
> > > it doesn't make sense to define KEY_FN_PAGEUP and not define
> > > KEY_FN_PAGEDOWN at the same time.
> > > 
> > 
> > I am unconvinced that we need new keycodes. Isn't there a better default
> > keycodes for these keys? You mentioned that fn+f5 controls radio on many
> > thinkpads, why don't you use KEY_WLAN in your keymap?
> 
> No can do the KEY-WLAN thing, sorry.  I *don't* have a way to know, unless I
> add a model-specific map table to the kernel, and I have been told by
> numerous people to don't even try, unless it is for quirks, etc.
> 

Why not? It thinkpad-acpi is a box-specific driver and you could try to
setup proper keymap depending on models. We do that in wistron_btns and
it doers not even need alot of memory (keymaps and dmi data is marked
__initdata and is discarded).

> Really, what are we to do with that input.h scancode map?  It *IS* supposed
> to be absolute, i.e. one is not supposed to reuse keys in there if the
> functionality *or* the generic description is not an exact match.

Are there any markings on those keys?

> This is 
> extremely clear, and it makes complete sense from the point of view of
> userland: HAL and others can properly assign functions to all scan codes and
> it will be always correct.
>

Are you arguing for KEY_THINKPAD_FN_F1, etc? And it being different from
KEY_ACER_FN_F1? I don't think it is a good idea... 
 
> But then, it is expensive memory-wise, so it is near the current KEY_MAX,
> and people are very, very relutant to add another bit to it.
>

Not really expensive. Right now keys cost 128 bytes per input device,
absolute axis data cost much more. If we really need it we could increase
KEY_MAX.
 
> This is definately a ridiculous and aggravating situation, that deserves a
> proper fix.  If increasing the scancode table cannot be done (why?), it is
> time to stop denying reality, and remove everything after KEY_FN (0x1d0),
> and instead give us a block of KEY_HOSTSPECIFIC_* scancodes, from 0x1d0 to
> at least 0x1ef.
> 
> Given the way that scancode table is being used, it is one way or the other.
> Either increase it to KEY_MAX=0x3ff, or do exactly what UNICODE did, give us
> a decently sized block of host-specific scancodes, and shunt the problem to
> userspace to clean up after.
>

In this case I better do nothing and leave everything as KEY_RESERVED and
let userspace load proper keymap for the device.  

-- 
Dmitry

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-05-29  3:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-26 17:28 [RFC] thinkpad-acpi input hotkey events Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found] ` <11802004861625-git-send-email-hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-26 17:31   ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: register input device Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]     ` <11802006651698-git-send-email-hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-26 17:31       ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add input device support to hotkey subdriver Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:31         ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: allow hotkey to input event map to be modified Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:31           ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: add thinkpad keys to input.h Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27  3:40             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 12:15               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 18:10                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]                 ` <20070527121513.GC19562-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29  3:16                   ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <200705282316.32173.dtor-xOqKmqBdiMhF6kxbq+BtvQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 13:05                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 13:57                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:04                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 14:18                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:25                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 14:31                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 14:42                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-05-30 15:07                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 15:24                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 16:04                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 17:24                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-30 20:25                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-30 23:01                                   ` [ibm-acpi-devel] " Matthew Garrett
2007-05-31  0:53                                   ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31  4:33                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-31 22:28                                       ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 23:33                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  0:13                                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  0:24                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  1:29                                               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  1:44                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  2:11                                                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01  3:33                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01  4:08                                                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01  4:37                                                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 13:13                                                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 14:04                                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:19                                                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-06-01 15:06                                                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 15:21                                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-01 14:51                                                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-01 14:19                                                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-20 10:21                                                         ` Helge Hafting
2007-06-06 16:55                                         ` [PATCH] Input: document the proper usage of EV_KEY and KEY_UNKNOWN (v2) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-06-29  5:04                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-06-30 18:20                                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]                                     ` <20070531005305.GC6883-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 10:37                                       ` Making KEY_UNKNOWN really useful to userland Richard Hughes
2007-05-31 12:48                                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-31 14:37                                           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27  3:38           ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: allow hotkey to input event map to be modified Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 12:03             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-29  3:08               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-29 12:46                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
     [not found]                   ` <20070529124639.GA12935-ZGHd14iZgfaRjzvQDGKj+xxZW9W5cXbT@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-29 12:55                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-29 13:06                       ` [ibm-acpi-devel] " Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27 18:07             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-27  3:35     ` [PATCH] ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: register input device Dmitry Torokhov
2007-05-27 11:53       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-26 17:36   ` [RFC] thinkpad-acpi input hotkey events Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

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