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From: Wakko Warner <wakko@animx.eu.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: david@lang.hm, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: limits on raid
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:08:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070616140857.GA4206@animx.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18035.23867.576212.859440@notabene.brown>

Neil Brown wrote:
> On Friday June 15, wakko@animx.eu.org wrote:
>  
> >                                                   As I understand the way
> > raid works, when you write a block to the array, it will have to read all
> > the other blocks in the stripe and recalculate the parity and write it out.
> 
> Your understanding is incomplete.
> For raid5 on an array with more than 3 drive, if you attempt to write
> a single block, it will:
> 
>  - read the current value of the block, and the parity block.
>  - "subtract" the old value of the block from the parity, and "add"
>    the new value.
>  - write out the new data and the new parity.
> 
> If the parity was wrong before, it will still be wrong.  If you then
> lose a drive, you lose your data.

I see, I didn't know that the MD's raid5 did this.

> And why is it such a big deal anyway?  The initial resync doesn't stop
> you from using the array.  I guess if you wanted to put an array into
> production instantly and couldn't afford any slowdown due to resync,
> then you might want to skip the initial resync.... but is that really
> likely?

When I've had an unclean shutdown on one of my systems (10x 50gb raid5) it's
always slowed the system down when booting up.  Quite significantly I must
say.  I wait until I can login and change the rebuild max speed to slow it
down while I'm using it.   But that is another thing.

Thanks for the clarification on raid5.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-16 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-15  2:58 limits on raid david
2007-06-15  3:05 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  3:43   ` david
2007-06-15  3:58     ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  9:13       ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 22:21         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 11:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 16:23         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-15 17:20           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 21:59         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16 17:23           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-17 13:00           ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-18  4:57           ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  2:56             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  6:39               ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  6:45                 ` david
2007-06-21  8:59                   ` David Greaves
2007-06-21 17:00                   ` Mark Lord
2007-06-21 11:00                 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 12:40               ` Mattias Wadenstein
2007-06-21 14:40                 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-21 16:48                 ` david
2007-06-21 18:30                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-06-21 20:08               ` Nix
2007-06-16  2:03       ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-16  3:47         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16  4:40           ` Dan Merillat
2007-06-16  7:48           ` david
2007-06-16 13:38             ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 17:16               ` david
2007-06-17 17:16             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-18 17:20             ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 17:28               ` david
2007-06-18 18:03                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:12                   ` david
2007-06-18 18:33                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:40                       ` david
2007-06-18 19:11                         ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 20:52                           ` david
2007-06-18 21:46                             ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-18 21:56                               ` david
2007-06-18 22:00                                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-19 20:11                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 20:51                                   ` david
2007-06-19 15:07                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-19 19:28                               ` david
2007-06-18 18:07                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 18:16                   ` david
2007-06-16 13:33           ` David Greaves
2007-06-17  1:44             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-21  3:01             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  8:49               ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 14:08           ` Wakko Warner [this message]
2007-06-17  1:47             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 13:28               ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 17:28                 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 19:30                   ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 19:54                     ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 20:46                       ` david
2007-06-17 20:44                     ` david
2007-06-17 17:14       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-21 23:03         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22  2:24           ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22  8:10             ` David Greaves
2007-06-22  9:51               ` david
2007-06-22 12:39                 ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 16:00                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22 16:55                     ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 18:41                     ` david

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