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From: David Greaves <david@dgreaves.com>
To: david@lang.hm
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: limits on raid
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:39:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <467BC306.9010008@dgreaves.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706220235590.9657@asgard.lang.hm>

david@lang.hm wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, David Greaves wrote:
> 
>> That's not a bad thing - until you look at the complexity it brings - 
>> and then consider the impact and exceptions when you do, eg hardware 
>> acceleration? md information fed up to the fs layer for xfs? simple 
>> long term maintenance?
>>
>> Often these problems are well worth the benefits of the feature.
>>
>> I _wonder_ if this is one where the right thing is to "just say no" :)
> so for several reasons I don't see this as something that's deserving of 
> an atomatic 'no'
> 
> David Lang

Err, re-read it, I hope you'll see that I agree with you - I actually just meant 
the --assume-clean workaround stuff :)

If you end up 'fiddling' in md because someone specified --assume-clean on a 
raid5 [in this case just to save a few minutes *testing time* on system with a 
heavily choked bus!] then that adds *even more* complexity and exception cases 
into all the stuff you described.

I'm very much for the fs layer reading the lower block structure so I don't have 
to fiddle with arcane tuning parameters - yes, *please* help make xfs self-tuning!

Keeping life as straightforward as possible low down makes the upwards interface 
more manageable and that goal more realistic...

David

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-22 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-15  2:58 limits on raid david
2007-06-15  3:05 ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  3:43   ` david
2007-06-15  3:58     ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15  9:13       ` David Chinner
2007-06-15 22:21         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-15 11:10       ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 16:23         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-15 17:20           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-15 21:59         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16 17:23           ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-17 13:00           ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-18  4:57           ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  2:56             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  6:39               ` David Chinner
2007-06-21  6:45                 ` david
2007-06-21  8:59                   ` David Greaves
2007-06-21 17:00                   ` Mark Lord
2007-06-21 11:00                 ` David Chinner
2007-06-21 12:40               ` Mattias Wadenstein
2007-06-21 14:40                 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-06-21 16:48                 ` david
2007-06-21 18:30                 ` Martin K. Petersen
2007-06-21 20:08               ` Nix
2007-06-16  2:03       ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-16  3:47         ` Neil Brown
2007-06-16  4:40           ` Dan Merillat
2007-06-16  7:48           ` david
2007-06-16 13:38             ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 17:16               ` david
2007-06-17 17:16             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-18 17:20             ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 17:28               ` david
2007-06-18 18:03                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:12                   ` david
2007-06-18 18:33                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-18 18:40                       ` david
2007-06-18 19:11                         ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 20:52                           ` david
2007-06-18 21:46                             ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-18 21:56                               ` david
2007-06-18 22:00                                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-19 20:11                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-19 20:51                                   ` david
2007-06-19 15:07                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-06-19 19:28                               ` david
2007-06-18 18:07                 ` Brendan Conoboy
2007-06-18 18:16                   ` david
2007-06-16 13:33           ` David Greaves
2007-06-17  1:44             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-21  3:01             ` Neil Brown
2007-06-21  8:49               ` David Greaves
2007-06-16 14:08           ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17  1:47             ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 13:28               ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 17:28                 ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 19:30                   ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-17 19:54                     ` dean gaudet
2007-06-17 20:46                       ` david
2007-06-17 20:44                     ` david
2007-06-17 17:14       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-21 23:03         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22  2:24           ` Neil Brown
2007-06-22  8:10             ` David Greaves
2007-06-22  9:51               ` david
2007-06-22 12:39                 ` David Greaves [this message]
2007-06-22 16:00                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-22 16:55                     ` David Greaves
2007-06-22 18:41                     ` david

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