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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
To: sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Cc: Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/15] Signal semantics
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:25:21 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070729112521.GD120@tv-sign.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070727184604.GB1072-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On 07/27, sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org wrote:
>
> Pavel Emelianov [xemul-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> | >>
> | >>@@ -1852,7 +1950,7 @@ relock:
> | >>		 * within that pid space. It can of course get signals from
> | >>		 * its parent pid space.
> | >>		 */
> | >>-		if (current == task_child_reaper(current))
> | >>+		if (kinfo.flags & KERN_SIGINFO_CINIT)
> | >>			continue;
> | >
> | >I think the whole idea is broken, it assumes the sender put something into
> | >"struct sigqueue".
> | 
> | Yup. That's the problem. It seems to me that the only way to handle init's
> | signals is to check for permissions in the sending path.
> 
> We can check permissions in the sending path - and in fact we do check for
> SIGKILL case (deny_signal_to_container_init() below).
> 
> But the receiver knows/decides whether or not the signal is wanted/not. No ?

I can't understand your question. Yes, this is what we are doing currently,
but this is broken by this patch.

> Are you saying we should check/special case all fatal signals ?
> 
> | 
> | >Suppose that /sbin/init has no handler for (say) SIGTERM, and we send this
> | >signal from the same namespace. send_signal() sets SIGQUEUE_CINIT, but it
> | >is lost because __group_complete_signal() silently "converts" sig_fatal()
> | >signals to SIGKILL using sigaddset().
> 
> Yes, I should have called it out, but this patch currently assumes /sbin/init
> (or container-init) has a handler for the fatal signals like SIGTERM

Changelog says nothing about that. And in that case we don't need any complications
except a) deny_signal_to_container_init() (should be named deny_SIGKILL_to_container_init)
and b) "cross-namespace signals must have si_code == SI_KERNEL".

I don't know whether this limitation (/sbin/init must install the handler
for each fatal signal) acceptable or not.

However, we should also take care about sig_kernel_stop() signals, and please
note that it is not possible to install a handler for SIGSTOP.

> | >>+static void encode_sender_info(struct task_struct *t, struct sigqueue *q)
> | >>+{
> | >>+	if (pid_ns_equal(t)) {
> | >>+		if (is_container_init(t)) {
> | >>+			q->flags |= SIGQUEUE_CINIT;
> | >
> | >Ironically, this change carefully preserves the bug we already have :)
> | >
> | >This doesn't protect init from "bad" signal if we send it to sub-thread
> | >of init. Actually, this make the behaviour a bit worse compared to what
> | >we currently have. Currently, at least the main init's thread survives
> | >if we send SIGKILL to sub-thread.
> 
> Do you mean "init's main thread" ?

Yes.

> But doesn't SIGKILL to any thread kill
> the entire process ?

It should, but it doesn't if it was sent to init's sub-thread, exactly
because of child_reaper() check in get_signal_to_deliver().

> | >>+   error = deny_signal_to_container_init(t, sig);
> | >>+   if (error)
> | >>+           return error;
> | >
> | >Hm. Could you explain this change? Why do we need a special check for
> | >SIGKILL?
> 
> As you pointed out above, SIGKILL goes through the __group_complete_signal()/
> sigaddset() path and bypasses/loses the KERN_SIGINFO_CINIT flag. Other
> sig_fatal() signals take this path too, but we assume for now, container-init
> has a handler.

No, SIGKILL doesn't bypasses send_signal(). IOW, if other parts of this patch
were correct, we don't need this change. If init has a handler, we don't neeed
other parts.

> | >(What about ptrace_attach() btw? If it is possible to send a signal to init
> | > from the "parent" namespace, perhaps it makes sense to allow ptracing as
> | > well).
> | 
> | ptracing of tasks fro different namespaces is not possible at all, since
> | strace utility determines the fork()-ed child pid from the parent's eax
> | register, which would contain the pid value as this parent sees his child.
> | But if the strace is in different namespace - it won't be able to find
> | this child with the pid value from parent's eax.
> | 
> | Maybe it's worth disabling cross-namespaces ptracing...
> 
> I think so too. Its probably not a serious limitation ?

My question was not clear, sorry. And I was confused because I had a false
impression that ptrace_attach() was already changed to use is_container_init().

Afaics, the cross-namespaces ptracing should work (modulo fork() problem
pointed out by Pavel), and probably it is useful.

But we should fix ptrace_attach(), it should not be possible to do PTRACE_ATTACH
to /sbin/init from the _same_ namespace.

Oleg.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-29 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-26 14:45 [RFC][PATCH 0/15] Pid namespaces Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found] ` <46A8B37B.6050108-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 14:46   ` [PATCH 1/15] Move exit_task_namespaces() Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B3C4.5080601-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:10       ` Dave Hansen
2007-07-27  6:38         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 16:47       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070726164724.GA81-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 16:59           ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-07-27  8:07           ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20070727080758.GA509-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  8:24               ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                 ` <46A9ABC1.1000800-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  8:35                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <20070727083541.GA528-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  8:37                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-08-02 16:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070802162023.GB137-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06  8:00           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46B6D52C.3010405-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06  9:54               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                 ` <20070806095421.GA85-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06  9:58                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                     ` <46B6F0DA.4080904-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 10:38                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                         ` <20070806103838.GA129-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 11:21                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                             ` <46B7044A.4030508-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 12:54                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                 ` <20070806125419.GB91-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 13:38                                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-08-06 11:29                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                             ` <46B7060E.3020609-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 12:50                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                 ` <20070806125032.GA91-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 13:36                                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                                     ` <46B723F3.8020905-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 13:57                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-26 14:47   ` [PATCH 2/15] Introduce MS_KERNMOUNT flag Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:48   ` [PATCH 3/15] kern_siginfo helper Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B42F.5070605-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-29 11:41       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729114154.GE120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:07           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46AD8032.90005-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31  0:21               ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2007-07-26 14:48   ` [PATCH 4/15] Make proc_flust_task() flush entries from multiple proc trees Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:49   ` [PATCH 5/15] Introduce struct upid Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B486.3030006-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-29  9:52       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729095210.GA120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  5:58           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:50   ` [PATCH 6/15] Make alloc_pid(), free_pid() and put_pid() work with " Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B4AE.6040903-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-29 10:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729101651.GB120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:03           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:51   ` [PATCH 7/15] Helpers to obtain pid numbers Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B4D6.1080301-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 19:03       ` Dave Hansen
2007-07-27  6:40         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-29 12:10       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729121051.GF120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:11           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:51   ` [PATCH 8/15] Helpers to find the task by its numerical ids Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B502.8070606-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 19:05       ` Dave Hansen
2007-07-27  6:43         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-29 12:40       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729124045.GG120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:15           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:52   ` [PATCH 9/15] Move alloc_pid() after the namespace is cloned Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B531.3050602-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 15:12       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070727151238.GA336-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:17           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46AD8266.8050802-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30 23:43               ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2007-07-31  5:49       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2007-07-26 14:54   ` [PATCH 10/15] Make each namespace has its own proc tree Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B59E.7050009-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-26 17:38       ` Dave Hansen
2007-07-29 15:58       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729155841.GI120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-29 17:04           ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]             ` <20070729170436.GA941-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:45               ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-30  6:43           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:55   ` [PATCH 11/15] Signal semantics Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B5C7.9040407-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 12:31       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070727123153.GA92-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 13:38           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46A9F54B.5050000-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 18:46               ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                 ` <20070727184604.GB1072-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 19:59                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20070727195943.GA25878-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 20:23                       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                         ` <20070727202337.GC1072-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  9:34                           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-30  9:31                       ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]                         ` <46ADB000.1000705-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 16:13                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                             ` <20070801161335.GA10747-6s5zFf/epYLPQpwDFJZrxKsjOiXwFzmk@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02  8:35                               ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                                 ` <46B19754.4050908-3ImXcnM4P+0@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 20:09                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-07-29 11:25                   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2007-07-26 14:56   ` [PATCH 12/15] Miscelaneous stuff for pid namespaces Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B601.4020108-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  6:22       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]         ` <20070727062213.GE23584-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  6:53           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:56   ` [PATCH 13/15] Clone the pid namespace Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-26 14:57   ` [PATCH 14/15] Destroy pid namespace on init's death Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B663.9040206-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-29 10:41       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729104145.GC120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30 11:56           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46ADD202.9030502-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30 15:46               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                 ` <20070730154639.GA127-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31  6:19                   ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                     ` <20070731061917.GB17013-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31  9:07                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                         ` <20070731090721.GA110-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01  6:16                           ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                             ` <20070801061616.GA5405-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 16:00                               ` Dave Hansen
2007-08-01 19:51                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                   ` <20070801195123.GB196-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02  8:37                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                                       ` <46B197E3.3040309-3ImXcnM4P+0@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 16:08                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                           ` <20070802160851.GA137-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 17:08                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                               ` <20070802170820.GA2566-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-03  6:22                                                 ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                                   ` <20070803062227.GA16833-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-03 10:55                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                       ` <20070803105557.GA91-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-03 21:36                                                         ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2007-08-02  7:37                                 ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
2007-08-01 19:48                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                 ` <20070801194811.GA196-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02  7:29                                   ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                     ` <20070802072958.GA729-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 15:40                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                         ` <20070802154018.GA93-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 17:20                                           ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                             ` <20070802172033.GA8011-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 17:31                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                 ` <20070802173128.GA2616-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 18:36                                                   ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]                                                     ` <20070802183608.GB15332-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 18:49                                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                                                         ` <20070802184953.GA316-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02 19:13                                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-07-26 14:58   ` [PATCH 15/15] Hooks over the code to show correct values to user Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]     ` <46A8B6AD.4000307-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  5:57       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]         ` <20070727055736.GC23584-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  6:44           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2007-07-29 14:31       ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]         ` <20070729143136.GH120-6lXkIZvqkOAvJsYlp49lxw@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30  6:49           ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]             ` <46AD89E6.1030607-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 10:04               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-07-27  4:22   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/15] Pid namespaces sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20070727042213.GB23584-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  6:08       ` sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]         ` <20070727060856.GD23584-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27  6:47           ` Pavel Emelyanov

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