From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:29:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070901222901.GO9260@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46D9E1B8.2060300@errno.com>
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:03:36PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
>>>>> licensing.
>>>>>
>>>> What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
>>>>
>>> Reyk's code was never dual licensed, so it's not like it even matters
>>> to the original dispute.
>>>
>>
>> It's no longer dual licenced in the FreeBSD tree because the FreeBSD
>> people removed the GPL choice of the dual licenced code 3 months ago.
>>
>> So all of Theo's accusations of people breaking the law by making this
>> dual licenced code GPL-only apply as well to the FreeBSD people...
>>
>
> Sigh, why actually check the facts when you can make them up. The code in
> question is my code. It has my copyright (modulo bits shared with onoe-san
> who was consulted on the switch from dual-bsd/gpl to bsd only in freebsd).
The latter is the code by Video54 Technologies?
> Of course what was amusing was how after I changed the license on the
> current code in freebsd certain folks retroactively applied the license
> changes to code that was 3 years old.
>
> But is there a point to all this nonsense? I dual-licensed the code so
> folks could adopt and use it however they saw fit. As I've said before I
> don't care what people do with the work I give away so long as they don't
> claim it's their own.
Fully agreed. :-)
>>> That said, I don't see what exact wording you consider inaccurate.
>>>
>>
>> Both the FreeBSD and Linux people draw the logical conclusion that this
>> "Alternatively" means everyone can always choose to remove one of the two
>> choices alternatively offered.
>>
>> According to Theo, that is "breaking the law"...
>
> I've yet to see "FreeBSD people" speak up so again you're just spouting
> jibberish. I am speaking up as the author of the code that set the dual
> license in place. I have the definitive say and I have said that any of my
> code that is dual-licensed can be made gpl only.
Sorry, this has been a thinko on my side:
If noone except you and onoe-san made any contributions to this code
that were non-trivial enough for automatically giving its author a
copyright on his contributions (whatever this means in various
jurisdictions...) it was indeed an author-only change.
> Sam
cu
Adrian
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Adrian Bunk <bunk-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Sam Leffler <sam-zZXckVAlHaQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:29:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070901222901.GO9260@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46D9E1B8.2060300-zZXckVAlHaQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 03:03:36PM -0700, Sam Leffler wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 01:37:18PM -0400, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/09/07, Jeff Garzik <jeff-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This will hopefully help diminish certain myths about the code
>>>>> licensing.
>>>>>
>>>> What myth? The myth that Theo understands dual licensing?
>>>>
>>> Reyk's code was never dual licensed, so it's not like it even matters
>>> to the original dispute.
>>>
>>
>> It's no longer dual licenced in the FreeBSD tree because the FreeBSD
>> people removed the GPL choice of the dual licenced code 3 months ago.
>>
>> So all of Theo's accusations of people breaking the law by making this
>> dual licenced code GPL-only apply as well to the FreeBSD people...
>>
>
> Sigh, why actually check the facts when you can make them up. The code in
> question is my code. It has my copyright (modulo bits shared with onoe-san
> who was consulted on the switch from dual-bsd/gpl to bsd only in freebsd).
The latter is the code by Video54 Technologies?
> Of course what was amusing was how after I changed the license on the
> current code in freebsd certain folks retroactively applied the license
> changes to code that was 3 years old.
>
> But is there a point to all this nonsense? I dual-licensed the code so
> folks could adopt and use it however they saw fit. As I've said before I
> don't care what people do with the work I give away so long as they don't
> claim it's their own.
Fully agreed. :-)
>>> That said, I don't see what exact wording you consider inaccurate.
>>>
>>
>> Both the FreeBSD and Linux people draw the logical conclusion that this
>> "Alternatively" means everyone can always choose to remove one of the two
>> choices alternatively offered.
>>
>> According to Theo, that is "breaking the law"...
>
> I've yet to see "FreeBSD people" speak up so again you're just spouting
> jibberish. I am speaking up as the author of the code that set the dual
> license in place. I have the definitive say and I have said that any of my
> code that is dual-licensed can be made gpl only.
Sorry, this has been a thinko on my side:
If noone except you and onoe-san made any contributions to this code
that were non-trivial enough for automatically giving its author a
copyright on his contributions (whatever this means in various
jurisdictions...) it was indeed an author-only change.
> Sam
cu
Adrian
--
"Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
"Only a promise," Lao Er said.
Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed
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Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-09-01 16:48 ` Fwd: That whole "Linux stealing our code" thing Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 16:48 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 17:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-01 17:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-01 17:37 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 17:37 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 20:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 20:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 21:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 21:51 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 22:06 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 21:27 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 21:27 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 21:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 23:29 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-01 23:48 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-01 23:48 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-02 0:11 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 0:11 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 0:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 0:09 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 0:53 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 10:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 11:20 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 11:20 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 11:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 11:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 12:28 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 12:28 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 12:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 12:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 12:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 12:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 13:00 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 13:00 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 13:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 13:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 13:53 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 13:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-02 13:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-02 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 15:58 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 15:58 ` Igor Sobrado
2007-09-02 18:23 ` Matthew Jacob
2007-09-02 18:23 ` Matthew Jacob
2007-09-05 13:22 ` David H. Lynch Jr.
2007-09-02 18:21 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 18:21 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 12:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-02 0:36 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-02 0:36 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-02 1:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:39 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 1:42 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-02 1:42 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2007-09-02 1:53 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 1:58 ` Casey Dahlin
2007-09-02 2:06 ` Al Viro
2007-09-02 2:44 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-02 2:44 ` Jason Dixon
2007-09-02 1:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 1:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 3:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-02 3:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
2007-09-02 5:09 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 5:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-09-02 5:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks-PjAqaU27lzQ
2007-09-02 2:22 ` Jonathan Gray
2007-09-02 2:22 ` Jonathan Gray
2007-09-02 10:18 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-01 22:03 ` Fwd: " Sam Leffler
2007-09-01 22:03 ` Sam Leffler
2007-09-01 22:29 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-09-01 22:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-01 20:30 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-01 20:57 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-01 20:57 ` Jacob Meuser
2007-09-03 2:01 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-03 3:11 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-03 9:48 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-03 18:01 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-03 18:26 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-03 19:04 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-03 19:33 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-04 0:19 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-04 13:27 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-04 17:13 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-04 19:28 ` Chris Friesen
2007-09-04 19:44 ` Michael Poole
2007-09-04 23:08 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-04 20:28 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-05 12:16 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-09-04 8:50 ` James Bruce
2007-09-04 16:59 ` Daniel Hazelton
2007-09-03 8:58 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-03 9:03 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-03 9:21 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-03 9:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-03 9:54 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-06 19:12 ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-03 2:01 ` David Schwartz
2007-09-02 0:02 Fwd: " Bob Beck
2007-09-02 0:02 ` Bob Beck
2007-09-02 0:36 ` Theo de Raadt
2007-09-02 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-09-02 1:52 ` Constantine A. Murenin
2007-09-02 2:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-09-02 11:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-09-02 1:32 ` Adrian Bunk
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2007-09-02 14:47 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-09-02 14:47 ` Bodo Eggert
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